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Old 08-22-2018, 08:30 AM   #29
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When I know that the Honda 2200 will run my 13.5 air, I'll get one for travels. If it runs the AC alone I'll be good with that. I have used my Honda 3000 for 15+ years without an issue.
It runs mine on a 2019 20FQ. I used a watt meter prior to purchasing the Honda to see what kind of draw I was pulling. The A/C pulled around 1.6 - 1.8 kW when the compressor fired up, then settled around 1.3 kW. If I ran the microwave at the same time it would jump to 2.1 - 2.2 kW. The air temp at the time was roughly mid-80's, so hotter weather will certainly increase the load.

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Is it possible that Honda designed the 2200 to handle the 13.5 AC knowing that many are used for that?
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A turbo would make up for the altitude.


I canít wait to see your turbo Honda 2200!
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:51 AM   #32
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Is it possible that Honda designed the 2200 to handle the 13.5 AC knowing that many are used for that?
Probably not. If they did it would likely have a different model number to help market the genny to us RVers.


A quick note after reading this thread all the way through:


Inverter generators are not like conventional spinning rotor alternators (the Onan in a coach); these work more like a UPS (uninterruptible power supply). A smaller DC generator charges batteries that supply the inverter. It's the current capacity limit of the inverter that makes these different - the inverter simply stops working (circuit breaker or current sensing that disconnects the inverter from the batteries) rather than bogging down the engine and eventually stalling it.


Loads with high inrush current (like AC compressors and other motors) can cause the inverter to disconnect from a load they'd easily supply once started.


The Honda inverter sets have a stellar reputation in live entertainment because they're stable, have parallel kits (to run 2 generators together), are ridiculously quiet and can be rented, serviced and purchased almost anywhere.


Just some additional info for those reading along...


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Old 08-24-2018, 10:39 PM   #33
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Hooked up my old EU2000i and it was able to get the AC running, but after 5 minutes or so it tripped. Something else must have kicked on, perhaps battery charging.



...... I'm not sure if any battery charging kicked in or not...

Anytime there's AC power coming in to the RV, the battery charger is charging.
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Old 08-28-2018, 07:29 PM   #34
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On my brand new 260RLS I had the "easy start" thingamajig installed. I plan on testing the A/C tomorrow with my 2011 Honda EU2000i to see if it works. If not I will be selling the 2000 and looking for a 2200. My 2000 has less than 40 hours run time on it.
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Old 09-04-2018, 02:02 PM   #35
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Just getting to know my new 270RKS, which has a 15k BTU Colman Mach A/C unit.

Hooked up my old EU2000i and it was able to get the AC running, but after 5 minutes or so it tripped. Something else must have kicked on, perhaps battery charging. The A/C unit must have a good hard start capacitor installed.

I ordered a new EU2200i companion generator but the cables are still on the way. Just for grins I hooked it up solo. Low and behold it ran the A/C and refrigerator without any overloading. I'm not sure if any battery charging kicked in or not, but I had all the lights on too. I ran it for 30 minutes or so with the A/C cycling on and off.

I didn't try to add the microwave, I'm sure it would've tripped. Having the two hooked up with companion cables is going to be quite nice.

I'm impressed by the EU2200i thus far!
Generator output is affected by altitude - where where you?

I'd add a soft or is it hard start to the A/C.
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Has anyone come up with results of the Honda 2200 and 13.5 AC? Still thinking of a more compact gen for travel. There are remote start units for the Honda 3000 now but they cost. I take a summer trip that I need to have AC in the trailer for emergency cool down for dogs.
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I have a key fob to shut off my Honda 2000's.....also, rather then tie-up a receptacle with a plug to handle the floating ground, pull the front panel loose and add the same wire inside on the back of receptacle......
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:28 AM   #38
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Probably not. If they did it would likely have a different model number to help market the genny to us RVers.


A quick note after reading this thread all the way through:


Inverter generators are not like conventional spinning rotor alternators (the Onan in a coach); these work more like a UPS (uninterruptible power supply). A smaller DC generator charges batteries that supply the inverter. It's the current capacity limit of the inverter that makes these different - the inverter simply stops working (circuit breaker or current sensing that disconnects the inverter from the batteries) rather than bogging down the engine and eventually stalling it.


Loads with high inrush current (like AC compressors and other motors) can cause the inverter to disconnect from a load they'd easily supply once started.


The Honda inverter sets have a stellar reputation in live entertainment because they're stable, have parallel kits (to run 2 generators together), are ridiculously quiet and can be rented, serviced and purchased almost anywhere.


Just some additional info for those reading along...


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According to Honda they use alternators combined with the engine flywheel:

"Honda engineers use inverter technology to integrate parts from the engine and the generator. For example, the alternator on our EU1000i, EU2000i, and EU3000iS is combined with the engine flywheel.

This allows inverter generators to be smaller and lighter weight than traditional models."


While the 2200 isn't specifically mentioned I suspect its designed the same way. Maybe there's a battery in the Honda, I don't think so, but I know for sure there are no batteries in my Yamaha EF2000 inverter generator.
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Probably not. If they did it would likely have a different model number to help market the genny to us RVers.


A quick note after reading this thread all the way through:


Inverter generators are not like conventional spinning rotor alternators (the Onan in a coach); these work more like a UPS (uninterruptible power supply). A smaller DC generator charges batteries that supply the inverter. It's the current capacity limit of the inverter that makes these different - the inverter simply stops working (circuit breaker or current sensing that disconnects the inverter from the batteries) rather than bogging down the engine and eventually stalling it.


Loads with high inrush current (like AC compressors and other motors) can cause the inverter to disconnect from a load they'd easily supply once started.


The Honda inverter sets have a stellar reputation in live entertainment because they're stable, have parallel kits (to run 2 generators together), are ridiculously quiet and can be rented, serviced and purchased almost anywhere.


Just some additional info for those reading along...


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There's no batteries in inverter generators, unless its electric start.

That's so off base that you must have made it up. If not, where would you hear or read that.
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Probably not. If they did it would likely have a different model number to help market the genny to us RVers.


A quick note after reading this thread all the way through:


Inverter generators are not like conventional spinning rotor alternators (the Onan in a coach); these work more like a UPS (uninterruptible power supply). A smaller DC generator charges batteries that supply the inverter. It's the current capacity limit of the inverter that makes these different - the inverter simply stops working (circuit breaker or current sensing that disconnects the inverter from the batteries) rather than bogging down the engine and eventually stalling it.


Loads with high inrush current (like AC compressors and other motors) can cause the inverter to disconnect from a load they'd easily supply once started.


The Honda inverter sets have a stellar reputation in live entertainment because they're stable, have parallel kits (to run 2 generators together), are ridiculously quiet and can be rented, serviced and purchased almost anywhere.


Just some additional info for those reading along...


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For those asking about the Microair. I could run one 15000 btu unit with one on a 2000 honda.
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I think there is a lot of "your mileage may vary" involved here. Some, like the OP, seem to be able to run an A/C on a small generator. Others can't. I know that I can't even start my 13.5 A/C on my EU2000.
That's basically what my Yamaha dealer told me. I wanted to buy the 2400 to run the AC and other things at the same time but they told me to bring the trailer around first and do a test run because they found most of the newer AC units will run with it but some of the older ones won't. Unfortunately my 2011 wouldn't so I had to go with two 2000s paralleled which I'm ok with because they are easier for me to handle.
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