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Old 12-20-2020, 12:38 AM   #1
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What Outdoors Titanium Bunkhouse model is generally half ton towable?

We drive a Ram 1500 diesel. It comes with 3.92 Rear Axle Ratio; Maximum towing capcity 9700lb; Maximum payload capacity: 1300lb; GAWR Front: 3900lb; GAWR Rear: 4100lb; GVWR: 7200lb.

It seems 23DBS Titanium is too heavy to fit in a half ton truck although we really like the features packed. Does anyone here have a good Outdoors RV Titanium bunkhouse model(or a Titanium model can sleep at least 4 persons) to recommend which can be safely towed by a half ton truck? I wish Outdoors RV has something like Grand Design 2400BH which is something I'm considering as alternative.

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I do not believe that Outdoors RV line touts their RV's as being half ton towable. I had a 2019 Grand Design RL which Grand Design builds as half ton towable. Being so it was so lightly built it was kinda sad. I just traded for the ORV 26kvs & I would not want a half ton under the ORV. I pull with a 3/4 ton Ford 4x. By the time you load the ORV with supplies & 80-90 gals of water its a heck of a load for a half ton. In the RV world its much better to over truck than under truck. Esp around semi's on windy days. If I were you I would look for a 3/4 ton or ton. Or buy a lightly made Grand Design Imagine. They cut weight by making everything cheaply made or lightly as possible. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Old 12-20-2020, 08:33 AM   #3
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None get a bigger truck or a cheaper camper..

ORV campers are 4 season campers, so they weigh more.
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Old 12-20-2020, 09:39 AM   #4
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None. Only ORV your 1/2 ton can safely tow would be the 21RD.
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I towed a ‘13 250rlsw for several years with a chev 1500 with tow package. Except for hills it did fine...but that’s my problem; I live in the lowest elevation of Idaho. Any direction I want to travel has many many miles of at least 4% grade to get up... north and south are 7% grade. Going over lost trail pass in Montana/Idaho I would have to pull over several times to let it cool. Did that twice and said enough and bought a 2500 HD diesel
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With 1300 payload, there's really no ORV you can tow unless you camp solo and have no gear you take with you.
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I do not believe that Outdoors RV line touts their RV's as being half ton towable. I had a 2019 Grand Design RL which Grand Design builds as half ton towable. Being so it was so lightly built it was kinda sad. I just traded for the ORV 26kvs & I would not want a half ton under the ORV. I pull with a 3/4 ton Ford 4x. By the time you load the ORV with supplies & 80-90 gals of water its a heck of a load for a half ton. In the RV world its much better to over truck than under truck. Esp around semi's on windy days. If I were you I would look for a 3/4 ton or ton. Or buy a lightly made Grand Design Imagine. They cut weight by making everything cheaply made or lightly as possible. Just my 2 cents worth.
Thanks everyone for your comments! I will find a different brand so my half ton truck can tow safely.
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My son's in the same perdickerment. He also has a Ram 1500 5.7, 3.92 with 1500+ payload. He was looking at Grand Design BH trailers. Not sure which model but probably Imagine or Transcend.

He asked me what he could tow and I broke the weights down for him. With his 3 kids and camp gear he is basically out of luck unless he tows the smallest BH which he doesn't want.

I think you'll find that even the lightest BH is going to max out your trucks payload.
A TT loaded to 6,000 lbs is going to need a tongue weight of 720 lbs.

If you do in fact have 1300 lbs for payload then you'll only have 580 lbs left for passengers and other stuff.

Have you actually looked at the door jamb where the cargo capacity is listed. Usually it's not a number that ends in 00.

Not to be downer Dave but 1300- lbs is barely enough when looking at BH trailers.
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Old 12-21-2020, 05:42 PM   #10
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Our previous trailer was a Creekside 23BHS. We towed it pretty well with our 1500 Chevy Avalanche/5.3.


Even with the shorter wheelbase of the Avi, it seemed to handle it pretty well. I think it helped that TT & TV were the same approx weight (6300lbs.)

We always made sure we were loaded front heavy to prevent sway. Also keeping speed down to 65 or below helped.


We now tow a Timber Ridge 22FQS with our half Ton Ecoboost. Thats about as much trailer I would want to pull with a half ton. Plenty of power but do feel the occasional semi wind push.



You might be able to find a used 23BHS around. I think they stopped making that model in 2017.
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Payload is the issue.

Great discussion. I have a Creekside 23BHS - that dry weight is 5250 lbs. I had a 2.7 ecoboost that had a 7600 tow capacity but it was payload that was going to sink me. It only had 1442 lbs (door sticker) so once I load the trailer I figure tongue weight was going to be close to 800lbs only giving me 642 left for payload – I likely could have managed it as its just my daughter and myself which total is 300 lbs, but then more stuff in the bed and just “stuff” in the cab another 350 lbs is not much room to play with. I upgraded to a 3.5 ecoboost with 1892 lbs payload and can tow over 9500lbs. 1300lbs seems like a very low payload – I would double check the door sticker.
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Great discussion. I have a Creekside 23BHS - that dry weight is 5250 lbs. I had a 2.7 ecoboost that had a 7600 tow capacity but it was payload that was going to sink me. It only had 1442 lbs (door sticker) so once I load the trailer I figure tongue weight was going to be close to 800lbs only giving me 642 left for payload – I likely could have managed it as its just my daughter and myself which total is 300 lbs, but then more stuff in the bed and just “stuff” in the cab another 350 lbs is not much room to play with. I upgraded to a 3.5 ecoboost with 1892 lbs payload and can tow over 9500lbs. 1300lbs seems like a very low payload – I would double check the door sticker.
might want to double check your tongue weight on a scale; several people with ORV's your size or smaller have posted tongue weights in the 900 - 1200 lb range. .....maybe you have lithium batteries under the bed, pack light, travel empty and some other weight savings measures?

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I agree with the others; your truck is too small for all of the ORV bunkhouse models. I did a fair bit of research as I was interested in downsizing my TV for my 21RBS (third lightest ORV trailer) and discovered that even a well equipped half ton was over its head.

Remember that trailer tongue weight needs to be 12 - 15% of the loaded weight for stability. Also realize that the listed weights don't include water, propane, batteries, options or gear. In my case my 21RBS has a dry weight of 5520 and a hitch weight of 660.....BUT I have 250lbs of batteries, 60 lbs of propane as well as 780 lbs of water adding over 1,000 lbs before I put in a single beer, flip flops or tee shirt! ....and 400 lbs of that will be on the tongue pushing tongue weight to well over 1,000 lbs.

Safest thing to do IMO, is to use the trailer's GVWR and go with the 12 - 15% rule which in my case = 860 - 1075.....and ORV's are known to be tongue-heavy so the 15% is a better guess IMO. I intend to weigh mine all loaded up in the spring and I wouldn't be surprized if my tongue weight is closer to 1,200 lbs (due, in part, to my 4 - 6V batteries)

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Hi Dave, yes I will do an actual tongue weight in the spring - once this silly snow is gone, I did a trailer weight in September though and my trailer loaded and ready to go - without the fresh tank filled came in at 6000 lbs. I'm basing the 800lbs on a 12.5 - 13 % tongue weight even with it at 15% that comes to 900 lbs, but again why I switched trucks for greater payload as even at 15% I still have over 900lbs of payload available. My daughter, me and the dog - I don't think come to even 300 lbs. Stay tuned though I just bought a tongue weight scale.
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