California Stay At Home Order= no camping

[jirirutner]

The Regional California Stay At Home Order, dated December 3, 2020, states under 2g. "Overnight stays at campgrounds are not permitted." It is still OK for CA residents to stay in hotels but not in campgrounds. This order will be in effect within a day or two in Southern California Region, based on ICU bed capacity already falling below the 15 percent threshold last night. The order will be in effect for at least three weeks.

For those of you with reservations in Southern California Region, which encompasses Imperial, Inyo, Los Angeles, Mono. Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara and Ventura counties, expect for those to be canceled.

It is beyond my comprehension that it is OK to stay in hotels but campgrounds are out of the question.

Supposed to be leaving for a camping trip in Santa Barbara tomorrow, so I am not very happy about this.

Wondering what anyone else's thoughts are and what can we do about this nonsense?

[SteveG.]

Hey Jiri, I just got off the phone with ReserveCalifornia after a half hour hold. The telephone attendant told me they haven't made any cancellations or turned any campers away from state parks yet. If you have a reservation, you will receive an email indicating any changes.

[Jlo11111]

I went to CAs covid website yesterday. It basically says campgrounds can stay open if they follow certain guidelines (I'm not sure how well they keep the website updated). The campground at South Carlsbad chose to close anyway. Apparently they think campers go around licking each others faces. Or, more likely, state workers get paid whether they work or not.

[Ljwt330]

Originally Posted by jirirutner

The Regional California Stay At Home Order, dated December 3, 2020, states under 2g. "Overnight stays at campgrounds are not permitted." It is still OK for CA residents to stay in hotels but not in campgrounds. This order will be in effect within a day or two in Southern California Region, based on ICU bed capacity already falling below the 15 percent threshold last night. The order will be in effect for at least three weeks.

For those of you with reservations in Southern California Region, which encompasses Imperial, Inyo, Los Angeles, Mono. Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara and Ventura counties, expect for those to be canceled.

It is beyond my comprehension that it is OK to stay in hotels but campgrounds are out of the question.

Supposed to be leaving for a camping trip in Santa Barbara tomorrow, so I am not very happy about this.

Wondering what anyone else's thoughts are and what can we do about this nonsense?

The order actually states that hotel reservations are only for essential travel/infrastructure needs, and out of state reservations for essential needs must be for the duration of the 14 day quarantine period at least, and guests must quarantine in the hotel for the entire stay.

The purpose of the order is to reduce travel and spread. That means things like overnight camping. Makes perfect sense to me. We are currently camping in Santa Barbara, and expecting to be told we must leave as soon as the campground gets the directive from their corporate office.

[jirirutner]

Originally Posted by Jlo11111

I went to CAs covid website yesterday. It basically says campgrounds can stay open if they follow certain guidelines (I'm not sure how well they keep the website updated). The campground at South Carlsbad chose to close anyway. Apparently they think campers go around licking each others faces. Or, more likely, state workers get paid whether they work or not.

That is correct, however, if you read the Regional Stay At Home order dated December 3, 2020, it states under 2g. Overnight stays at campgrounds are not permitted. I would imagine this recent order will supersede any previous ones. PDF of this order is attached to my original post.

[jirirutner]

Originally Posted by Ljwt330

The order actually states that hotel reservations are only for essential travel/infrastructure needs, and out of state reservations for essential needs must be for the duration of the 14 day quarantine period at least, and guests must quarantine in the hotel for the entire stay.

The purpose of the order is to reduce travel and spread. That means things like overnight camping. Makes perfect sense to me. We are currently camping in Santa Barbara, and expecting to be told we must leave as soon as the campground gets the directive from their corporate office.

I am reading the original order, not someone else’s interpretation of it, even on Ca government website and this is exactly what the order says regarding lodging.
Exceptasotherwiserequiredbylaw ,nohotelorlodgingentityinCaliforniashall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired.
It only covers out of state travel regarding lodging, says nothing about California residents not being able to stay in hotels.

[Ljwt330]

Originally Posted by jirirutner

I am reading the original order, not someone else’s interpretation of it, even on Ca government website and this is exactly what the order says regarding lodging.
Exceptasotherwiserequiredbylaw ,nohotelorlodgingentityinCaliforniashall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired.
It only covers out of state travel regarding lodging, says nothing about California residents not being able to stay in hotels.

More detail, from the Ca.gov. official site, as to why some businesses remain open. (Quoted)

“Hotels and lodging: Allow for COVID-19 mitigation and containment measures, treatment measures, provide accommodation for essential workers, or providing housing solutions, including measures to protect homeless populations.”

https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-exc...eeds/#rsho-has

California residents are restricted under clause b. of the order:

“All individuals living in the Region shall stay home or at their place of residence except as necessary to conduct activities associated with the operation, maintenance, or usage of critical infrastructure,1 as required by law, or as specifically permitted in this order.”

The hotel order you address is an addition to the order as it applies to Californians. Hotels are to remain open due their need, as described on the Ca.gov. site, not to operate as business as usual for traveller stop overs.

[UTTransplant]

“Overnight” means those who spend just one night. It is to discourage casual travel and tourism. Remember the virus doesn’t travel far; it depends on people to do that. Federal campgrounds are closing because no but the camp hosts are long termers. Private campgrounds just require you to stay put.

[Old-Biscuit]

IF folks would FOLLOW CDC Guidelines these types of measures would NOT be needed

But alas folks do NOT follow the CDC Guidelines and think 'NOT ME'

[udid]

Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

IF folks would FOLLOW CDC Guidelines these types of measures would NOT be needed

But alas folks do NOT follow the CDC Guidelines and think 'NOT ME'

CDC guidelines are not law. Have or ask one to show you which specific California penal code states just such. As a retired cop from California there is no penal code covering such.

[Cliffy]

14 days?
CDC just lowered the official period to 10 days last week

[Highway 4x4]

Well, they can't arrest you for camping out in the desert. I suppose if a campground is closed you can't camp there. It's government control out of control. Looks like we are going to loose a lot of people this month. I have nothing planned so it's easy for me. I'll do my shopping weekdays middle of the day. Is it permitted to say that the state is run by a bunch of idiots. I am being nice.

[egwilly]

Here is the new edict straight from the Reserve California website. Note that all southern california counties are in the new restriction starting today.

UPDATE December 4, 2020

The California Department of Parks and Recreation thanks visitors for their partnership as we collectively enable responsible recreation that protects the health of visitors and the dedicated parks staff during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Below you will find the latest update on reservations for California's State Parks System:

On December 3, California issued a Regional Stay at Home Order to stop the surge of COVID-19 cases and prevent a strain on the health care system. This action will help protect critical care for patients.

The new order will be implemented regionally once there is less than 15 percent ICU capacity remaining in the following designated regions: Northern California, Bay Area, Greater Sacramento, San Joaquin Valley and Southern California. State campground sites within these regions will be temporarily closed in accordance with the order.

Whether your specific reservation will be canceled depends on whether the selected campground is located within one of the impacted regions. If the campsite is within an impacted region, your reservation will be canceled, possibly with little advance notice, due to the critical need to stop the COVID-19 surge. Affected reservation holders will be contacted by ReserveCalifornia via email and provided with a refund. Reservation cancellations and refunds will be automatic. As such, visitors do not need to take any action. However, please note that due to the volume of visitors affected, the refund process may take some time.

While the Regional Stay at Home Order restricts certain activities, the state also recognizes that mental health is physical health. As such, day use outdoor areas of park units currently open to the public will remain open. Members of the same household are encouraged to stay local and recreate responsibly in the outdoors.

As a reminder, all guided tours at parks and museums remain suspended until further notice and the 2020 Junior Lifeguard Program has been canceled. Participants that have signed up for the program are being notified and refunds will be provided automatically.

We have flattened the COVID-19 curve before and, together, we can do it again. Learn more at State Parks COVID-19 Resource Center or www.covid19.ca.gov.

[JC2]

Exactly. Not that hard to do either. Common sense seems to have thrown by the wayside.

Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

IF folks would FOLLOW CDC Guidelines these types of measures would NOT be needed

But alas folks do NOT follow the CDC Guidelines and think 'NOT ME'