Coronavirus is everywhere!

[Monacoach]

Originally Posted by rarebear.nm

I wrote "infected" 1/3 of the world's population. "Affecting" and infection have very different meanings. I do not believe making my distinction of "unprecedented" is splitting hairs at all.

I had very serious concerns about this cornavirus when the news first broke from China and have never had reservations about how serious this could become. If anything IMO some officials and much of the media is still underestimating where this virus cycle may go. We won't know until it is over.

Coming from a strong biology background (11 years of college biology), I understand importance of sound data and the serious lack of data collection and testing leaves me doubting official reporting and response levels. The news today was we will only test those in the hospital and some high risk people. We're burring our heads in the sand.

My mistake on the 1/3 ........ i agree some heads are buried in the sand. Its annoying to read about some people who are out and about totally oblivious to whats going on while my wife and i are living like hermits.

[jjackrash]

A good read for anyone interested:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-be9337092b56

[TechWriter]

Originally Posted by Monacoach

Its annoying to read about some people who are out and about totally oblivious to whats going on while my wife and i are living like hermits.

Things were like that during the 1918 Spanish flu too -- A Tale of Two Cities.

[Janjim]

Originally Posted by RubiconTrail

Yup, 100,000 or so people worldwide come down with corona virus and there are no more surgical masks or TP to be had.

30 million people have HIV, and still no one wants to wear a condom.

Seriously, this is less deadly than the flu (more then 20,000 deaths in the US in 2019 alone), and all of the US deaths have been elderly or immuno-compromised. All 38 of them.

At least people are washing their hands, maybe this ridiculous panic will curtail the flu season and actually do some good.

Enjoy hiding in your paranoia holes, I'll be out enjoying the world.

A lot has changed in 10 days,eh! And it hasn't peaked YET!

[Monacoach]

Originally Posted by RubiconTrail

Yup, 100,000 or so people worldwide come down with corona virus and there are no more surgical masks or TP to be had.

30 million people have HIV, and still no one wants to wear a condom.

Seriously, this is less deadly than the flu (more then 20,000 deaths in the US in 2019 alone), and all of the US deaths have been elderly or immuno-compromised. All 38 of them.

At least people are washing their hands, maybe this ridiculous panic will curtail the flu season and actually do some good.

Enjoy hiding in your paranoia holes, I'll be out enjoying the world.

So are you still out enjoying the world? I know things were different 10 days ago when you posted i just hope that people dont continue with that kind of attitude towards this virus with what we know today.

[R.Wold]

Originally Posted by Monacoach

So are you still out enjoying the world? I know things were different 10 days ago when you posted i just hope that people dont continue with that kind of attitude towards this virus with what we know today.

I agree it’s a more serious threat that Rubicon believes, but the actual impact is probably less. It’s an interesting conundrum. Right now the mortality rate in the us is 1.2% and holding for two weeks now, and totals 346 as of today. And that 1.2% is of test confirmed cases. We may never know the number of actual cases, but it is higher (difficult to quantity the untested positives) and so the mortality percentage is actually lower (deaths are easy to count), perhaps a lot lower.

So I can see Rubicons point, even now. The difference is that as we learn more about this virus, and how it spreads, we learn more about how to avoid it. So I’m content in my paranoia hole (admittedly it’s a very nice one) but I also believe that in the final analysis $850 Billion will prove to be a gross over reaction. Maybe not if a lot of that goes to mitigate the financial impact on the economy. But still, imagine if heart disease, various cancers, diabetes etc got this much attention.

I also believe that the decision makers are backed into a corner on this one because if they don’t grant nearly every item on the wish-lists being presented as a means to combat this thing, every death will be laid at their feet by those with dubious agendas. And then in the final analysis, (my prediction here...) these same decision makers will be criticized for over spending and over reacting to the crisis.

[sj]

In nursing school we were taught to use paper towels to touch the taps.

Originally Posted by 96 Wideglide

They didn't want to touch the sink taps!

Your lucky they flushed the toilet !

[R.Wold]

In the field I had to constantly remind medics not to hold the IV bag in their teeth while they started the IV wearing gloves and using good sterile technique. It’s easier than balancing the bag on your shoulder but they had just handled it with the gloved hands that handled the patient. Such is the dilemma of short staffed street medicine. But it’s interesting that otherwise well trained emergency medical personnel took this risk without a second thought.

[2cyber71]

Looking at the numbers, I think it time to quarantine NY City.
Everyone east of I 95 in NY state.
2 weeks. It will blunt the peak

[Xmcdog]

I have to agree with rarebear, the governments of the entire world have delayed in doing the one thing that would have contained this. Border closing. Isolating people. Hard decisions but they should have been taken at the end of January when it was obvious that it was going to be a pandemic.

Here in Nova Scotia a state of emergency has finally been declared.
https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/

[Cumminsfan]

I watch some news on TV and read on the net. But I want my local states version so I go to my own state's coronavirus update page.
It's clear when they tell me that they only have X amount of cases and that they have tested X amount of people and that they have X amount of tested people waiting on results that will take X amount of days for results and that they X amount of deaths from the virus.

[richard5933]

Originally Posted by Donskiman

It's unfortunate we can no longer trust many (most?) news sources and now must seek out several in an effort to get the whole story. ... Through selective editing, every one of them presented things from the presser that presented a narrative that news source was pushing. All of them left out details that didn't support their chosen narrative. Anyone who didn't see it live would need to check out reports from several sources to get the true sense of what really happened...

This is nothing new and has been going on for as long as newspapers have been printed, and as long as it's been broadcasted on radio and TV.

Decades ago, before the internet and cable TV, people usually subscribed to the local daily paper and watched the local news. Even then, every newspaper and every news broadcast selectively reports the news, selectively editing stories according to the editorial slant of the paper/newscast. Even deciding whether a story was "above the fold" or "below the fold" was an editorial decision, just as was burying a story behind the classified advertising. Same for deciding which stories would lead the evening news where ratings were more important than accuracy or fair reporting.

The only difference between then and now is that we are able to easily see other versions of the news on cable and the internet. When we only had one news outlet to read or one local station, it was much more difficult to know when things weren't being accurately reported. Unless you had the money to get a mail subscription to a big-city paper, you just didn't know.

No matter what you primary new source, it is up to each of us to fact check what we're reading and seeing. Every news outlet, by design, has an editorial slant. Do your homework and be fully informed.

[DutchmenSport]

The original poster first posted on March 11 starting this thread. Today is March 22, eleven days later. So much has changed since eleven days ago, yet so much has remained the same.

Not to downplay the thread of what's going on, but it sure would be nice if folks would start looking at some of the positives coming out of all of this.

For example:

We may criticize the public school systems for their world view indoctrination of our children. So, during the school closures, count your blessings they can now become indoctrinated by YOUR views. Schools have momentarily lost control, putting control of the children back in the hands of the parents. Is that a bad thing? Not really if you are one of those whose been complaining about how horrible the public schools are.

I think everyone complains and criticizes how overworked we all are, how our places of employtmnet have literally scraped every ounce of energy and brains out of our existence. When we return home after our shift, we're exhausted, pooped-out! Just simply too tired to do anything. Well, if you are now self-confined, or worse yet, confined by public mandate, count your blessings! You now have time for your kids, your spouse, your loved ones, either in person or distance.

Think of it his way too. Considering all the business that are closed, think of the money you are saving by not eating out, by not running around filling your fuel tank 3 times a week, and all the laundry you are being spared because you are no longer wearing your Sunday best every time you go out and then you feel it must be washed.

I figure, this week alone, (we as a family of 4) ... my wife works from home full time anyway (Information Technology), I am now 100% work from home (Information Technology). My son is now manditory Work from home (Information Technology), and our grandson who also lives with us, is out of school and doing the E-learning thing, is with us full time at home now too.

Between all 4 of us, we have probably saved almost 1000 miles of driving this last week. We are actually eating healthier now, as we've had to really consider what foods are truly most important. And Candy and sweets are not on the list.

I'm saving $75 a week by not eating out at work every day now. My son is saving over $50 a week by not eating out every day at work.

We have a Bidet. We have no need for toilet paper. We are blessed!

We live in the country. We are about 50 miles North and East of Indianapolis. I didn't realize how much noise we experience where we live until just a few days ago. We are on a flight path for the airport in Indianapolis. The closest straight line to Interstate I-65 is about 6 miles from where we live. The closes railroad (in a straight line) is approximately 8 miles from where we live. Even though we live in the country, our road is one of the busier roads. Because we are surrounded by corn and bean fields, sounds carry far out here. We can hear the garbage pick-up truck over a mile away when he's on his route. Well, sound carries and it's really noisier here than I ever imagined, until just a few days ago when I realized how quiet it was outside.

No planes, no traffic, no motion anywhere. It's so quiet, so peaceful, so screen. It's awesome!

Our camper is a real joy. It's in our driveway, right here with us. I unwinterized a couple weeks ago when we had a failed trip to Georgia planned and the truck broke down in Tennessee and we ended up staying in Kentucky for the duration of our vacation. Plans altered? Money lost? yes. But we were safe, had plenty to eat, and eventually made it back HOME.

We are safe, we are healthy, we are secure, we have food, we have no need to toilet paper (yea, I gotta keep mentioning that), we are enjoying each other as a family, we are playing together, watching television together, fixing meals together, and helping the 6 year old with his e-learning school home work.

Yes, things have changed over the last 11 days. I'm not diminishing the threat of impending doom, but I'm also really enjoying the benefits of our altered lifestyle.

Everyone focuses on the negative. Count your blessings and start focusing on the positives! You'll have much to be thankful and grateful for too!

[hoosierrun]

US now the third most infected Country in the World according to Worldometers. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#repro

We have been back and forth with Spain for 3rd. I'm sure much of this has come to light from recent testing campaigns. Previous to testing, sick people were not counted.