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Old 04-20-2020, 03:38 PM   #491
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Sorry to read about your son, it must have been a very scary time for you all. ......
Thank you but there was no drama. With each of the kids, they call or I call once a week. 'BTW since last time we talked I was sick with a fever, dry cough, and trouble breathing. Still working from home so I did not get any sick days.'

There is a benefit to being stoic and not crying wolf. Daughter calls. Mom had an accident and the car is in the ditch. Will you come and get me and take me to the airport? Five minutes later, are you on the way I will miss my flight. No, you can sucker your mom but not me. No really, the car is in the ditch.

Oh, add people talking on cell phones and running red lights to my list of risks that are not hypothetical.

On 4/1/2020, she got me good. She lives in NYC. She just got back from ER. No beds and no test available. Sent her home even though she is at risk. I am on the next. No, no, no you are more at risk and I am not ready to lose you too. More drama! When she realizes she can not talk me out of it, she starts laughing. Got you good, happy fools day!

Each death is an individual. A trauma for the family. Is there something that could have been done to prevent it? Being stoic does not mean you do not care.

During this panic-demic deaths are being reported like the body count during the VN war. Statistics being used to support an agenda. Does that big number justify SD or does it show that it is ineffective.
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Old 04-20-2020, 05:02 PM   #492
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.... Comparing this pandemic to driving a car is ridiculous. .....
Of course that is not what I said. I compared my work place to driving home.

The company policy was to show the risk for workers was two orders of magnitude safer than required by regulations. My team provided numerical risk assessments based on science to regulators to show compliance with federal law.

What you did was answer my question with a question. You did not tell what you mean by 'safe'. It is just a vague word the way you use it.

I will answer your question but do not expect you to answer. This for other people.

I agree with the standard for the company. When I look at risk, I first look at the benefit of something. Food stores are a large benefit. Casinos not so much. Then I would look at the risk of health workers dying if exposed (0.2%).

Then the team of experts would identity ways to mitigate the risk such as using PPE.

Not to hard but are you willing to pay the cost?

Of course not. You would be homeless and standing in line at a soup kitchen for beans and rice.

I can protect workers at a nuclear power plant at reasonable cost but I can not protect you from a virus to the same standard.

It is simple science. There is a background level for a virus that will you. Background radiation will not kill you. A million times more radiation will.

You have to consider the cost of poverty. I have done volunteer work in a homeless shelter. It is not good.

I can put you a bubble suit 24/7. Then all you have to worry about is food poisoning, dehydration, suffocation.

Are you getting the point about being 'safe'? If it is not one thing it is another.
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I'd like to read that study. Do you have a link? Thanks.
Just one of the studies I saw by doing a quick Google search: https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-...ns-82270277578

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The couple in the photo were practicing social distancing. ...
The point I was initially making was that this is supposed to be a politics-free zone. If someone wants to make a point about a topic, it's possible to do it without using photos that carry such a "hot topic" message. We're all aware that there is controversy about the stay-at-home orders. No need to include photos which some will take as a slight.
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“just another flu”.......:banghead :

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...J18E0BDL6MVHE#
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We're all aware that there is controversy about the stay-at-home orders. No need to include photos which some will take as a slight.
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Makes no sense - you're implying that it's communism to point out the obvious?
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They can protest all they want and governors can open states tomorrow. However it's not going to change anything because people who listen to experts and believe in science will self isolate and not spend a dime traveling, eating in restaurants or shopping at malls.Unfortunately this will take a long time to recover from economically. On a side note I saw some protesters holding signs " vaccination is poison" that was all I need to see to form an opinion about them.
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It’s time to move on as this thread is going around in circles and personal attacks are taking place. Thanks to all who contributed.

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