Ruining it for others

[LynnD]

Even here in PA probably 30% of the people don't wear masks, one of the customers at the beauty shop I go to was denied entry, and she was boiling. The shop owner tried to explain to her that it was the state's requirement but she did not want to hear it. So the poor stylist lost out on a service and got no compensation for the time blocked. A few of us tipped her even though we were not her client.

[sanda]

Originally Posted by Skip426

I don't know if you track any info on infection rates and deaths due to the virus here in Canada .
But as far as containment is concerned, here in BC , we've gone a week with only one Covid-19 related death and are in the process of a gradual re-opening .
Even as a Canadian , when I returned to Canada I was required to isolate for two weeks , the tourists involved want to by-pass that isolation requirement. Mitigating contact with people from areas of high infection is what the border travel/isolation restrictions are in place for.
As for sane policies ,JMHO: I believe the Canada /USA cross border travel restrictions are justified, and if the past week's problems; with tourists; persist the restrictions need to be strengthened.
For example why would we open the boarder to , Washington state , where with 1 1/2 times the BC population , they have SEVEN times the infection and death rate and currently show signs of increase in both ; so no signs of containment there .

To the moderators, I realize that this post is argumentative and if it needs to be deleted , I understand.

I'm sorry Canada is getting scammed by us Americans. We live in a society now where rules don't apply to us. Social distancing, hand washing, and face coverings are being largely ignored. This will continue to spread the virus and result in more deaths. I'm sure there are some Canadians crossing into the U.S. under questionable circumstances but I don't know what can be done short of closing the borders. We cancelled our Canadian trip today after Trudeau extended the closure.

[sanda]

Originally Posted by deprived

This is turning in to a partisan p*ssing match. Enough.

When I don't like a thread I don't look at it. Why don't you try that rather than insist on silencing the rest of the group?

[MRichaud]

Originally Posted by jacwjames

I live near a tourist hot spot, Gatlinburg, Sevierville, Pigeon Forge. They started opening up about 5 weeks ago and have continued to relax the rules. They see visitors from all over the USA and news clips continue to show big crowds with few mask and social distancing pretty much nonexistent.

Hey, neighbor - we're in Townsend, and traffic has really picked up here over the last week. Same situation here and in Maryville regarding wearing of masks and distancing. Spotty at best.

[Highway 4x4]

Originally Posted by sanda

I'm sorry Canada is getting scammed by us Americans. We live in a society now where rules don't apply to us. Social distancing, hand washing, and face coverings are being largely ignored. This will continue to spread the virus and result in more deaths. I'm sure there are some Canadians crossing into the U.S. under questionable circumstances but I don't know what can be done short of closing the borders. We cancelled our Canadian trip today after Trudeau extended the closure.

Wait, I am an American and I wash, wear a mask, take a hot shower daily, social distance, and I avoid large groups of people. The news is out looking for those not following the suggestions, not me. I have not had it and don't know anyone that has and don't know anyone that knows someone that has. Lock down the borders, fine with me. Even lock down all the state borders. Plenty of places to go in my state and they won't be crowded that way. Great winter camping down here.

[sanda]

Originally Posted by Highway 4x4

Wait, I am an American and I wash, wear a mask, take a hot shower daily, social distance, and I avoid large groups of people. The news is out looking for those not following the suggestions, not me. I have not had it and don't know anyone that has and don't know anyone that knows someone that has. Lock down the borders, fine with me. Even lock down all the state borders. Plenty of places to go in my state and they won't be crowded that way. Great winter camping down here.

I totally agree with you. Problem is you and I follow the recommendations but the vast majority don't. This is the reason I think the virus will be with us a long time and many more lost lives. Its the 'hurray for me and screw you' mentality when we see others not wearing face coverings and social distancing.

[Waiter21]

Sooner or later, every person on this planet (and probably the international space station) will be exposed to COVID19. The original purpose of the lock-down was to flatten the curve. Somewhere along the line, the goal seems to have been changed "prevent humans from getting COVID19".

I agree, fear of COVID19 is indeed ruining it for others.

[MRUSA14]

I adore Canada, and just about every Canadian that I have ever met. But I don’t get all the griping here by Canadians about Americans crossing the border. Are they sneaking across in the middle of the night? You have have border crossings manned with RCMP or other guards. If you don’t want the Americans to cross, don’t let then in. It’s that simple. But if you do let them in, don’t gripe about it. It is you Canadians who choose whether to admit Americans or not.

[Kuzzy]

I don’t think you’re getting what the original post is about.

[SomeDay]

From what we were told in the news and by the police on film, was that these USA folks in BC campground, lied at the Canadian border saying they were enroute going right thru to Alaska, and were advised as many others were to avoid stopping where possible (of course one has to sleep, eat, drink fill up gas etc or maybe a mechanical issue) and when necessary to do so, make it brief and aim to get to your destination of Alaska asap.

From film footage interviews we saw, when the CG owners/staff wanted to locate them in BC into an area for isolation purposes they voiced being unhappy about moving to that location, and at that point after they'd already earlier admitted they were vacationing not going to Alaska at all, that's when it was reported = attitude is latitude!

Surely BC and Canada as a whole has a right to protect itself as best it can based on whatever knowledge we are given to do so being like most ignorant, of truly what this virus is all about. Amazing how seriously some respect this virus, but many not until they've lost a loved one, or seen one struggle in ICU on ventilators or even become desperately sick themselves with it.

As for it being focused on mainly elderly, tell that to the family of 20 year old gal with no underlying issues that died in Edmonton, or the man in his 30's, wife and toddler home, with no underlying issues, that ended up in a coma had to have leg amputation due to clots, seemed to be improving then had 2 mini strokes, and there's a lot more. Too many folks aren't taking this as seriously as it is, and YES it is way way more concerning than annual flu loses, as many chose to cite.

We get scrutinized and questioned to the nth degree whenever we've crossed into the USA (many times over a quarter century now), whether via car/rv/plane or otherwise, on returning to Canada we get asked a couple questions that don't feel like they are trying to trip us up on something and told with a smile all but once, "welcome home".

As for someone saying Trudeau is keeping our border closed, it's a mutual conversation between him and the USA and explicitly states on the addresses "WE" have decided to keep the borders closed.

Our family respect the USA's right as a country to welcome us or not as they see best for their needs, and place whatever restrictions on us they chose, please respect Canada and any other's country to do the same if they so chose as and when for whatever reason. Simple choice if we don't like it we don't go any more. As our signs on the highways up here say everywhere in Alberta "Be Kind, Smile and Keep a 2m Distance".

Like many in the USA have experienced on social gatherings with openings, the same is happening here and Ontario has experienced a rise in numbers of those in the 35 age and under testing positive = evidence. Yes this age group have experienced everything from going into ICU to showing little symptoms at all, but please folks don't underestimate and not take this serious until it's too late and you lose a loved one to this dreaded Virus! None of us truly know what to do for the utmost best but I for now will keep wearing a mask in presence of others (I protect you, so please wear yours and protect me!), using ultra thin plastic bags on my hand when selecting my fruit and veggies or checking my bacon packages (I don't believe in gloves where folks wear them for an hour or more contaminating everything they touch), sanitize till my hands are sometimes sore and in between washing them. Am I being overly cautious? = I really don't know, but I hope my family and I are being responsible trying to do what we are told is the best thing.

Must be doing something right with social distancing or protecting here as our numbers have dropped exponentially, and we personally feel we're opening up waay too soon, as it takes 13 weeks typically to create a habit and we're barely there now!

Like many of you have commented above, sadly we aren't seeing many folks wearing masks out in close proximity public spaces any more, it's almost as though we've started opening up and they think the virus is no threat any more

Stay safe, and if like us you have your mask on and are sanitized, don't be afraid to hug a loved one if it's safe to do so! Remember, even doctors/nurses/other frontline workers, after first showering, then cuddle their little ones!

PS: FWIW, and who will ever truly know with so many unreliable test results but ...... My hubby and I are convinced we had a hard hit of COVID (wrongly diagnosed as an Upper Respiratory Tract infection/brochitis) from mid October last year into mid January, then became really sick with all the symptoms again, just shorter duration this time, and this go around also our daughter, after they returned from a 12 day trip to Costa Rica on 4th March. By 10th March they infected me. We take all the numbers as skewed the media give out, as so very many have had it and not been tested and so many of the tests have given false positives or negatives.

[tommar]

Originally Posted by Waiter21

Sooner or later, every person on this planet (and probably the international space station) will be exposed to COVID19. The original purpose of the lock-down was to flatten the curve. Somewhere along the line, the goal seems to have been changed "prevent humans from getting COVID19".

I agree, fear of COVID19 is indeed ruining it for others.

If everyone was to get/be exposed to Covid, then the virus would die out because the survivors would have the immunity conferred by the antibodies. Hopefully humanity will get a vaccine before then because of the terrible cost in lives.

[Highway 4x4]

Well, the problem with that ^^^^^ is that many innocent people would also die out and I don't want to be one of them. I am 68, slight asthma living with 2 big dogs. I still have plenty of things to do without going to the beach, casino, theme park, sporting event. A dog show would be tempting but it's not to hard to social distance most of the time at one. I got my trailer looking new inside and out being at home all the time. Hope the tires don't rot before I get it out again.

[Excesses]

Originally Posted by Waiter21

Sooner or later, every person on this planet (and probably the international space station) will be exposed to COVID19. The original purpose of the lock-down was to flatten the curve. Somewhere along the line, the goal seems to have been changed "prevent humans from getting COVID19".

I agree, fear of COVID19 is indeed ruining it for others.

The goal should still be to “ prevent humans from getting COVID 19”.

Ever get diphtheria? Ebola? Smallpox? No me neither.

The health care providers are not an inexhaustible resource, in fact many are exhausted as the days and weeks go by. Some of them are dying as they provide care for those who have the virus. Whether the people they treat got it accidentally or whether it’s the ignorance of the people who ignore the health authority in their area, state or country.

Meanwhile, John Q Public sits back in the comfort of their home and comment like a play by play announcer.

If it’s such a hoax, where are the patriots and volunteers offering to push stretchers at the hospital or bury the unclaimed “hoaxers”?

I agree, catching the disease and then depending on those fighting COVID-19 is ruining it for others.

[HDGoose]

Originally Posted by Highway 4x4

Well, the problem with that ^^^^^ is that many innocent people would also die out and I don't want to be one of them. I am 68, slight asthma living with 2 big dogs. I still have plenty of things to do without going to the beach, casino, theme park, sporting event. A dog show would be tempting but it's not to hard to social distance most of the time at one. I got my trailer looking new inside and out being at home all the time. Hope the tires don't rot before I get it out again.

Didn't the climate folks say there too many people on earth already?