So how immune do you feel?

[rarebear.nm]

I read these threads now days for a good laugh from the anti mask/vaccine crowd and all of their justifications of why not. Worried about what is going in to your body? I'm much more concerned about the air, water, food and other fluids I consume then what's in a simple mRNA injection. In concept the mRNA vaccines are not very complex. Just an mRNA strand packaged inside of a fatty acid (lipid) shell in a carrier fluid. The details in how to exactly make it work was a devil that required several decades of dedicated work. It was not ALL done in a year! If I recall the early work start in about 1993-94 and progressed slowly since then until more recently.

In July the US death total from Covid-19 was about 610,000. Deaths that were directly linked to a vaccine (only J&J) was 3. Again in July 6,700 people who have been vaccinated have died. Apparently death in all of those cases was another cause. The most pain I felt from either shot was pulling the band-aid off, wow! Some people feel bad for a few days. Even through we see a 97-99.x survival rate, that does not address all of the people who survive the injections but acquire serious side effects that may last a very long time.

I trust the the facts and the science any day over the none sense I see and read about these days. Good grief Charlie Brown!!!

[mickeybitsko]

Rbear, just to be clear, are you saying that all the covid jabs
Have The same ingredients? Or you explained
What's in the medicine that you took?

[rarebear.nm]

The two based on mRNA are very similar. J&Js and others I have no comment on.

[Old-Biscuit]

Originally Posted by mickeybitsko

Rbear, just to be clear, are you saying that all the covid jabs
Have The same ingredients? Or you explained
What's in the medicine that you took?

Nothing hideous or secretive

Moderna Ingredients
https://faqs.in.gov/hc/en-us/article...ID-19-Vaccine-

Phizer Ingredients
https://faqs.in.gov/hc/en-us/article...ID-19-vaccine-

[mountainkowboy]

Good luck with that, I'll trust my immune system, always have. After leaving the USN, I haven't taken any vax for anything...rarely if ever get sick also. The more research you do on the "vax" programs that have been pushed over the decades, the less I trust them.

Remember, big pharma doesn't make money if they cure anything.....that's bad for business.

On that note this thread holds no interest to me, my quote "You do you and I'll do me....whatever helps you sleep"

[rarebear.nm]

Originally Posted by mountainkowboy

.... Remember, big pharma doesn't make money if they cure anything.....that's bad for business.....
"

Big differences between "cure" and prevention (or at least reduction) of a disease. The vaccines of question here are only to reduce the probability of becoming seriously sick or dead. They do not cure the disease at all.

Where the profit for the companies may come from is boosters, perhaps modified some what, because people refuse to get the simple shot and greatly reduce the pool where Covid-19 can mutate and continue it's spread. Instead many people seem all to glad to give Covid-19 a breeding pool to do what viruses all do, mutate into another variant.

Far more anti-vaxers are dying these days than people taking the vaccine and dying, which is about 0. But that is clearly their choice. 105 out of 193 countries (54%) have evidence of a national mandatory vaccination policy. In about half of those countries failure to get vaccinated may result in fines and/or jail time.

[ponytl]

Currently over 700K unvaccinated and accounting for the VAST majority of cases .

You know, that is because according to CDC guidelines they do NOT count the Vaccinated... which if you keeping score... it skews the numbers just a bit so that " unvaccinated and account for the VAST majority of cases" which just is NOT true, In Israel the MOST vaccinated country on earth... where they keep accurate and precise records fully 90% of all admitted cases are from the.... you guessed it the Vaccinated!

[ponytl]

Far more anti-vaxers are dying these days than people taking the vaccine and dying, which is about 0

That sir Is NOT true... 100% false and you can NOT nor can anyone else prove one life has been saved by the vaccine... THAT is Fact

why would you post such nonsense?

The CDC does NOT report those who have been vaccinated who have had to be admitted to hospitals that HAVE been vaccinated... so how would one know? they ONLY count the unvaccinated...

Please research Israel, the most vaccinated country on earth... fully 90% of all cv19 hospital admissions are of the vaccinated, Further Israel reports that they have zero proof that the vaccine has prevented anyone from getting cv19 AND being vaccinated does NOT prevent one from spreading it to others.
If one is going to ride atop the high horse... please do it with facts and take the time to be informed.

[jondrew55]

Originally Posted by mountainkowboy

On that note this thread holds no interest to me, my quote "You do you and I'll do me....whatever helps you sleep"

That’s great unless you doing you hurts others.

[twogypsies]

Originally Posted by ponytl

Far more anti-vaxers are dying these days than people taking the vaccine and dying, which is about 0

That sir Is NOT true... 100% false and you can NOT nor can anyone else prove one life has been saved by the vaccine... THAT is Fact

why would you post such nonsense?

The CDC does NOT report those who have been vaccinated who have had to be admitted to hospitals that HAVE been vaccinated... so how would one know? they ONLY count the unvaccinated...

Please research Israel, the most vaccinated country on earth... fully 90% of all cv19 hospital admissions are of the vaccinated, Further Israel reports that they have zero proof that the vaccine has prevented anyone from getting cv19 AND being vaccinated does NOT prevent one from spreading it to others.
If one is going to ride atop the high horse... please do it with facts and take the time to be informed.

I really wish those making statements like this would give links to where they're getting their information.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html

The CDC does report breakthrough cases who have been vaccinated.

[twogypsies]

Originally Posted by mountainkowboy

On that note this thread holds no interest to me, my quote "You do you and I'll do me....whatever helps you sleep"

Does that mean we won't hear from you again?

[propchef]

Originally Posted by ponytl

Currently over 700K unvaccinated and accounting for the VAST majority of cases .

You know, that is because according to CDC guidelines they do NOT count the Vaccinated... which if you keeping score... it skews the numbers just a bit so that " unvaccinated and account for the VAST majority of cases" which just is NOT true, In Israel the MOST vaccinated country on earth... where they keep accurate and precise records fully 90% of all admitted cases are from the.... you guessed it the Vaccinated!

Thank you. It would be most useful if you provided links to back those statements. Everything I've read so far always included vaccination status and re-infection rates (which can't be included if they aren't counted).

[2Newsomes]

Originally Posted by twogypsies

Does that mean we won't hear from you again?

That’s not even close to being nice.

[jondrew55]

Originally Posted by propchef

Thank you. It would be most useful if you provided links to back those statements. Everything I've read so far always included vaccination status and re-infection rates (which can't be included if they aren't counted).

I did find this that indicates a large number of Covid cases amongst vaccinated people in Israel. But read the whole thing. Even still, it is alarming but it’s not a rationale to not get vaccinated

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...udy-finds.html