Explorer weights

[Off roader]

Does anybody have actual street wights for a
Explorer 40 ERB? Full of fuel, water and ready to hit the road. I’m looking for how much cargo capacity is left for trailer tongue weight.
Thanks

[Camp CA]

Welcoem to the forum!!

Since we do not know what you load it with, suggest weighing it a local scale (moving compoany or CAT scale) to confirm loaded weight as is.

[Off roader]

I am thinking of ordering one, but I am a little concerned about the CCC of 4250#’s. I was hoping someone has done a cat scale weight on one.

[Raider89]

We weighed our 40ERB coach on way home from picking up in Oct. Full water tank, empty gray & black, full fuel, mostly empty storage bays. 15,620 lbs front & 21,900 rear

[Uncle_Mike]

Originally Posted by Off roader

I am thinking of ordering one, but I am a little concerned about the CCC of 4250#’s. I was hoping someone has done a cat scale weight on one.

If you're concerned about the Explorer's CCC but still want a shorter single-axle rig, then you might consider a Classic. The 38CSB floorplan is single axle, although at 38', you may find it too short.

But you can option a Classic to keep it light, if that's a priority for you. Some of the more popular options (or standards, depending on model) such as tile floors can really add weight. But it is possible to keep weight down if you try. Our 38CSB weighs 32,500 empty, with no fluids, so add fuel, DEF, water and cargo as suits you for a better idea of your loaded weight. We don't usually travel with a full water tank, but even if we did, we'd still have a CCC of 6000 lbs. With our normal "30 gallons to get to our next campground", it's 7000.

As you know, Renegade requires a dual rear axle on anything above 40'. And so 41' Classics are all dual-axle rigs. But going to a dual axle also adds about 2000 lbs, and so it's easy to get into this spiral where you have to add more chassis weight to carry more cargo weight.

Also, let me just say that, whether Classic or Explorer, a "short" Cascadia with DD13 is a rocket at 34 or 35 thousand pounds. I haven't yet met a grade it can't climb at 65+. In terms of power/weight or torque/weight ratios, there are no other Super Cs on the market that even come close.

[outlawten5]

Uncle Mike, sorry to derail the post, but you answered a question I was wondering about. Thanks

[az99]

How much trailer tongue weight do you have? What is the trailer weight?

[rhealy]

Originally Posted by Raider89

We weighed our 40ERB coach on way home from picking up in Oct. Full water tank, empty gray & black, full fuel, mostly empty storage bays. 15,620 lbs front & 21,900 rear

What are the drive and steer axle capacities on an Explorer? I couldn't find that information on the Renegade website. Just curious. Thank you.

[Uncle_Mike]

Originally Posted by rhealy

What are the drive and steer axle capacities on an Explorer? I couldn't find that information on the Renegade website. Just curious. Thank you.

Since its GVWR is the same 41,000 lbs as my 38' Classic, I'd wager that it uses the same axles too: 18K GAWR front and 23K rear. I'm pretty sure Renegade uses the same Detroit 18K front axle on all their Cascadia conversions, and 23K is just under the 24K federal interstate limit.

[Off roader]

Uncle Mike, you are correct with the 18 k front
And 23k rear.

[Off roader]

Az99, currently I have a 43ft classA. I’m running 12,500 gross trailer weight with 1880 tongue weight. I think I can load differently to get the tongue weight down to about 1300.

[az99]

I would think that should work with no problem.

[Johngflyer]

Originally Posted by Off roader

Does anybody have actual street wights for a
Explorer 40 ERB? Full of fuel, water and ready to hit the road. I’m looking for how much cargo capacity is left for trailer tongue weight.
Thanks

I weighed our 2022 40ERB on each corner with full fuel, 75 gal water and empty holding tanks, I believe and all normal traveling stuff. Notes are in the MH which is a 20 minute ride from home.

If I remember correctly, the driver rear corner was very close to the rating limit with some more room on passenger side. The front axle had a weight of approximately 15,300 lbs so plenty of available weight up front but darn near totally useless. NO way possible to tow a 20,000 lb trailer, like Renegade advertises, without overloading the rear axle if you use the recommended 10-15% of trailer weight on the tongue. Their engineers did a poor job of designing the unit for proper weight distribution IMHO. I also have lithium batteries so some weight saving there. No problem if just towing a toad.

[az99]

Originally Posted by az99

I would think that should work with no problem.

I take that back. I was not aware that the 40' was so much heavier than my 38'.