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06-05-2023, 09:20 PM
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Renegade Classic 2024 Slide Problem
I FINALLY took delivery of my 2024 Classic in Indy and drove it home to NE Ohio today (and new to this forum as you will see this is my first post). Had to stop several times with the CS (passenger side) large slide starting to come out? Worse, only the front part of the slide (closest to the cab) was coming out and not the rear (by mid door entry). Since it was cock-eyed, we had to push and pull several times to help the slide go completely out before allowing it to come all the way in.
In speaking with the dealer's rep, come to find out Renegade apparently has had these problems since using this new slide? Basically, the motor used isn't strong enough for its brake to hold in the large slide by itself? I wasn't aware, but the DS (driver side) slide has their new hydraulic slide and can't understand why Renegade wouldn't just use this stronger slide system all the way around? After what I spent on this build, I'd would have gladly paid to have the option, especially knowing what I've experienced.
Anyone else experiencing this issue??
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06-06-2023, 11:07 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2022
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Man this isn't good to hear. Did they just change this on the 2024's? My 2023 XL just arrived to the local dealer
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06-06-2023, 10:39 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2023
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Not sure?
I'm sorry. I don't know if there was a change?
Today, I had additional problems with hydraulic leaks from the other slide. We then went on to lower the leveling stands ("elevator") to check to make sure they worked since the hydraulics were all the same cylinder. Fluid all over, blowing out the overflow? Then, the rear jack stuck and wouldn't move.
My tech went over every inch of it to learn, the solenoid had a wire that came out?
What is going on??
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06-06-2023, 10:54 PM
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Join Date: May 2023
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If one wheel is off the ground and the other is not, that tells me you are on a pretty good slope.
IMO, the better way to go, vs how you are doing it now, is to buy some stackable plastic squares that interlock -- so you can drive up on them. This is far better than torqueing your chassis, but don't be surprised if your jack on that raised wheel side will not reach the ground.
I carry a few 12x12 wood blocks (double stacked) to put under my jacks with this condition.
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06-07-2023, 01:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by est8esq
I FINALLY took delivery of my 2024 Classic in Indy and drove it home to NE Ohio today (and new to this forum as you will see this is my first post). Had to stop several times with the CS (passenger side) large slide starting to come out? Worse, only the front part of the slide (closest to the cab) was coming out and not the rear (by mid door entry). Since it was cock-eyed, we had to push and pull several times to help the slide go completely out before allowing it to come all the way in.
In speaking with the dealer's rep, come to find out Renegade apparently has had these problems since using this new slide? Basically, the motor used isn't strong enough for its brake to hold in the large slide by itself? I wasn't aware, but the DS (driver side) slide has their new hydraulic slide and can't understand why Renegade wouldn't just use this stronger slide system all the way around? After what I spent on this build, I'd would have gladly paid to have the option, especially knowing what I've experienced.
Anyone else experiencing this issue??
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Ours is a ‘23 but on our one front CS side the dealer told us to always use the slide keepers since it’s the lightest slide and can get “sucked out”. On our rear slides (master BR) we have never used them and never had an issue. On our large Street Side slide it’s petty heavy with the fridge/sofa and two recliners so also never used the keepers and never had an issue.
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06-08-2023, 09:05 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2021
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We have a 2014 with hydraulic slides, so take these comments with that caveat.
With the hydraulic slides, the buttons control valves. Those same valves also have manual lever that can be flipped/switched.
I have seen 2 reasons the hydraulic slides will want to move on their own:
1) Air in the system - temp changes will make the slides move. Fix - typically fully cycling the slide/jack multiple times. In some cases may need to have system bled by techs.
2) Manual valve isn’t closing completely. Checking the manual levers on the valves, flipping them back and forth a few times to be sure the valve is fully closing has solved this issue for us.
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12-07-2023, 07:16 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 23
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Renegade slides
Posting this for others with Renegade Motorhomes and slide issues.
We own and FT in a 2021 Renegade Verona LE.
The motorhome has (2) Schwintech slides and (1) hydraulic slide.
As of this writing, both Schwintech slides have malfunctioned.
The “larger slide” (DS with kitchen and refer in it), had similar symptoms to those written above (I.e forward section of slide moved outwards 4-5” while underway). This slide eventually became unusable and we installed slide locks on the forward section to keep it “in” (BTW, you can not access the rear section of this slide).
This entire slide mechanism was eventually replaced by Renegade (after 6-months of it being non-functional).
The rear slide is also a Schwintech system and recently malfunctioned due to the wires from the motor being torn out by becoming entangled (not sure how this could even happen). The motor was replaced at a cost of $750.
To date, the hydraulic slide has not malfunctioned (and I have had these slides on several RV’s without a single malfunction). However, Renegade installed this slide with lag bolts that were working their way out (and 1 had completely come out). The lag bolts were replaced with through-bolts, washers, and nylon nuts; which is how it should have been constructed. This is not a slide mechanism problem but rather an installation issue. If you have this slide and it does not retract evenly, check the outside attachment points for loosening (and lag-bolts vs. through bolts).
So, my reason for posting: we really like our Renegade: and would buy another. But, the Schwintech slides are notorious for causing problems. Every RV Dealership (that you can have an honest conversation with) will tell you that the most common slide issue comes from the Schwintech slides. There is even a company that replaces Schwintech slides and has made a good business out of it.
This has been the single most frustrating issues we have had with our Renegade. When a slide malfunctions, you are screwed; and this has happened too often (to us and others).
So, why does Renegade still use them?
Why would they use a product that is designed to fail, and will eventually do so?
Is there another reasonable option?
I do not know the answers to these questions.
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12-07-2023, 07:20 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 23
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Slides
BTW: responding to the OP.
It is my understanding that these slides have a “brake mechanism” and they should not require a “slide keeper”. Unless the mechanism is not working correctly.
I do not know anyone who uses these “keepers” unless the slide brake mechanism is failing.
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12-08-2023, 07:10 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Canyon Lake, TX
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I was not aware Renegade builds any of their coaches with hydraulic slides, interesting. We have 2023 Explorer 40ERB on Cascadia chassis with 4 slides. The largest slide is on Liftco mechanical electric slide and other three slides on Schwintech mechanical electric. We initially had problems with the large Liftco. However, and often debated, our coach came with 3 slide locks loosely. Our dealer was not committal if they should be used. From my experience, they should. I use two long slide locks on the very large Liftco slide and one short slide lock on the large Schwintech kitchen side slide. I dont use locks on the two bedroom small slides. After 11k miles thus far, I have not experienced the actual slides moving during transit at all.
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02-19-2024, 12:46 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,014
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Hello guys does anyone know which system they are using on a Veracruz 30 the the slide seems big for a Schwintech.
I know a lot of guys are installing Vroom mechanics anyone having problems
Thanks
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