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Old 05-25-2023, 09:23 AM   #1
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Talk me out of (or into?) a 2023 Valencia

Hi Renegade owners, I need some honest advice. Short history: my wife and I have been RVing since 2007, from travel trailer, to gas Class A, to diesel pusher (2 actually), then downsized to our current unit, a Coach House “B+” for the last 4 years. The Coach House is a very-well-made RV, and has carried us coast-to-coast many times, but it’s small by my standards, especially for extended trips. I’m longing for more space, power, and carrying capacity, but don’t want to go back to a Class A, which leads me to Super Cs, and particularly Renegade. I initially preferred the Verona (don’t need to go above that), but the boss lady prefers the Valencia, and its $50k-ish lower price tag. I could live with that, but I have a few questions for those who own one:

The Valencia, with the 6.7L Cummins, obviously has significantly less power than the 8.9L in the Verona. But is it enough, especially in the mountains? (Bear in mind that my current coach has the Ford V10, so either is a big step up.)
How much cabin noise from the engine?
How does the S2RV chassis handle the potholes, etc.? I actually think I prefer the S2RV to the M2-106, especially the fuel tank placement (and single-side fuel fill), but I wonder about the ride.
I assume the slides are electric, though the brochure doesn’t say. How reliable are they? I lived through the issues with the early Schwintek slides, so I hope they’ve gotten better.
How is the Truma Comfort Plus for back-to-back showers?
Interestingly, I’ve seen some Valencia 38RW models online that seem to have a macerating toilet, and some that don’t? What about the two toilets in the 38RB?
Anything else I should be aware of?

Lastly, I think I buy into the notion that Renegade Super Cs are significantly better built than lookalike models from Thor/Jayco/Entegra, Tiffin, etc. I’m sure no one in this group will disagree, but is there anything you’d want to say about that?

Thanks, and I look forward to some inside knowledge from this group!
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Old 05-25-2023, 10:54 AM   #2
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Iíll try to add more later when I have some time, but I found myself in this exact same spot at the end of 2021. You can read my old posts and will likely find many of the same questions / thoughts you are having. Ultimately, we went with the Verona 36VSB because the Valencia 35MB we ordered was delayed, there was going to be a price increase since weíd be pushed into the new year, there was a Verona 36VSB available, we liked Verona 36VSB floor plan better, and the dealer gave us a nice discount on the Verona 36VSB that helped bridge the gap.

Unless you need to tow a lot of weight, the Valencia should be fine. Sure you wonít be racing up the hills, but hopefully thatís not your intention anyway. I donít think Iíve seen anyone on here that is unhappy with the 6.7 in the Valencia. Finally, if they had had the Valencia 36VSB instead of the 35MB when we bought it would have been a no brainer for us as we donít need the additional towing. The coaches now look near identical inside and outside.
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I'm going to be the fly on the bulkhead with this thread. We're in the market as well and are split between Renegade's Verona 36VSB and Valencia 36SB.

We've walked through both models and there are minor differences overall. It seems the build quality was pretty much equal, floorplans are almost identical, drivetrains are identical, which leaves the chassis. Having one tank or two is a question. The Valencia cockpit layout seems to be a better ergonomically designed workspace. Enough of my unqualified, inexperienced observations!! Pricing surely puts the Valencia in the lead.
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Old 05-26-2023, 07:08 AM   #4
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I'm in the market as well. I always lean toward more HP and TQ.
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Old 05-26-2023, 08:24 AM   #5
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Hi Renegade owners, I need some honest advice. Short history: my wife and I have been RVing since 2007, from travel trailer, to gas Class A, to diesel pusher (2 actually), then downsized to our current unit, a Coach House “B+” for the last 4 years. The Coach House is a very-well-made RV, and has carried us coast-to-coast many times, but it’s small by my standards, especially for extended trips. I’m longing for more space, power, and carrying capacity, but don’t want to go back to a Class A, which leads me to Super Cs, and particularly Renegade. I initially preferred the Verona (don’t need to go above that), but the boss lady prefers the Valencia, and its $50k-ish lower price tag. I could live with that, but I have a few questions for those who own one:

The Valencia, with the 6.7L Cummins, obviously has significantly less power than the 8.9L in the Verona. But is it enough, especially in the mountains? (Bear in mind that my current coach has the Ford V10, so either is a big step up.)
How much cabin noise from the engine?
How does the S2RV chassis handle the potholes, etc.? I actually think I prefer the S2RV to the M2-106, especially the fuel tank placement (and single-side fuel fill), but I wonder about the ride.
I assume the slides are electric, though the brochure doesn’t say. How reliable are they? I lived through the issues with the early Schwintek slides, so I hope they’ve gotten better.
How is the Truma Comfort Plus for back-to-back showers?
Interestingly, I’ve seen some Valencia 38RW models online that seem to have a macerating toilet, and some that don’t? What about the two toilets in the 38RB?
Anything else I should be aware of?

Lastly, I think I buy into the notion that Renegade Super Cs are significantly better built than lookalike models from Thor/Jayco/Entegra, Tiffin, etc. I’m sure no one in this group will disagree, but is there anything you’d want to say about that?

Thanks, and I look forward to some inside knowledge from this group!
I had class a ford v-10 37’ with the 6 speed which I hear made a lot of difference compared to the previous 5 speed before my 2023 Valencia RB. The power is very comparable to the v-10 six speed. It does fine in the mountains about the same as my v-10. Both toilets are maceraters and use a lot of water even on the low water consumption setting. The rear slide for the bed is a Schwintek but it small and not carrying much weight. The front slide not sure what set up it is but does have manual override. I’m very happy with the ride compared to ford class a. I have put 4,000 miles on it since November 2022. I did a lot of research and decided on renegade over the others. Have had no major issues yet.
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Old 05-26-2023, 09:09 AM   #6
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I'm going to be the fly on the bulkhead with this thread. We're in the market as well and are split between Renegade's Verona 36VSB and Valencia 36SB.

We've walked through both models and there are minor differences overall. It seems the build quality was pretty much equal, floorplans are almost identical, drivetrains are identical, which leaves the chassis. Having one tank or two is a question. The Valencia cockpit layout seems to be a better ergonomically designed workspace. Enough of my unqualified, inexperienced observations!! Pricing surely puts the Valencia in the lead.
While the Verona and Valencia share many components, there are some significant differences, including the drivetrain. As mentioned previously, Valencia is built on the S2RV, and features the Cummins 6.7 ISB (360 HP, 800 lb. ft. torque, variable geometry turbo exhaust brake mechanism, etcÖ) along with the Allison 3000 transmission. The Verona is built on the M2 106, with the Cummins ISL9 (360HP, 1150 lb. ft. torque, a true engine brake with off/low/high settings, etcÖ) and the Allison 3200 TRV transmission.

In addition to the tow ratings and GVWR, the chassis differences also include wheel base measurements which effect the turning radius, angle of departure and tail swing. The single belly tank on the S2RV is convenient, with a single fill behind the driverís side duals, but the location of the DEF tank is still under the driverís side cab step, which makes it a bit of a challenge to fuel both at some truck stop pumps without moving the rig a few feet.

It really comes down to what works best for each owner. For us, it was overall length, washer/dryer, ease/cost of regular preventative maintenance and up front cost.

I also agree that Renegade makes a quality product, the construction and durability has been great for us so far (1.5 years, 16500 miles).
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I have a 2020 Valencia 38RW and think it rides good and handles well. The front engine is somewhat noisy when starting from a stop, but quiet at cruise on the highway. A little nosier on mountains, but so is the v-10. I like it well and remember that everything in RV's is a compromise one way or other.
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