Best car of the last 70 years, Tesla

[Onyrlef]

Originally Posted by Solo_RV_Guy

Wall Street is not impressed with the price cuts and Tesla stock dropped another 4%.

Perhaps Musk should stick with driving Twitter into the ground, he'd lose less.

That said, the Tesla cars are fun to drive; the automation stuff I'm less enthused with. My daily driver does about 16,000 miles a year at 28 mpg. I'm not expecting the price of energy, alone, to make the case for switching from dino juice any time soon, but I've already decided that my next daily use car will be electric. I might keep the dino burner for long hauls. Horses for courses, after all!

As things are ev is a no brainer for local commuting, that is however until they sort out how they’re going to maintain the roadways without fuel taxes. The solution of course will involve a kw hour fuel tax. which you’ll likely pay for total consumption regardless whether you have an ev. Rest assured in any case, there will be a tax,

[Solo_RV_Guy]

Originally Posted by Onyrlef

As things are ev is a no brainer for local commuting, that is however until they sort out how they’re going to maintain the roadways without fuel taxes. The solution of course will involve a kw hour fuel tax. which you’ll likely pay for total consumption regardless whether you have an ev. Rest assured in any case, there will be a tax,

We've discussed this in other threads but many states are applying the equivalent of motor fuel tax with an EV registration fee surcharge. TANSTAAFL, as they abbreviate it.

There is a pervasive "thought" among some EV-deniers that EV owners expect/demand a free ride on road use fees, charging, etc. I've not encountered that and I think reasonable people, regardless of energy source, understand there are costs that do not change whether powered by petrol products or electricity and expect to pay for their use.

[F4Gary]

Out of that list, I would have picked the lowly Dodge Caravan.
It killed the stationwagon and invented a whole new car type, the Minivan, and revolutionized car buying trends.

And now there are EV Minivans.
Tesla only perfected the electric drivetrain that has been around for a century.

Tesla would have been second though.

[followingsea]

Originally Posted by Onyrlef

I remember how cool it was when the Citroen suspension would raise the car when it started.

Had a $600 used Citroen painted with a roller when I worked in Spain. Also drove a top of the line Citroen that was a company car. The suspension system compensated for panic breaking. Fantastic handling.

[JoeJunior]

Too bad Joe and Jane Six Pack still cannot afford a Tesla even with the price reduction.

They've still got to have another vehicle to take Jane to work because inflation has reared its ugly head and two income families are now the norm. And they've got to have a third vehicle to drive when the Tesla's been hauled to a service center 3 hours away for warranty work/recall that's going to require it being away for 3 months.

Tesla's are engineering marvels. Too bad engineers are not EV mechanics. And Tesla has never figured out how to be a quality automobile company. Try to buy parts for an old Tesla and you'll figure out they only sell to vehicles in warranty.

And pray you'll never have an accident in a Tesla. Where are you going to get it fixed? And how backed up are authorized Tesla body shops?

See Rich Rebuilds on YouTube for an insight on what it's like to be a Tesla owner.

[radar]

Originally Posted by JoeJunior

Too bad Joe and Jane Six Pack still cannot afford a Tesla even with the price reduction.

They've still got to have another vehicle to take Jane to work because inflation has reared its ugly head and two income families are now the norm. And they've got to have a third vehicle to drive when the Tesla's been hauled to a service center 3 hours away for warranty work/recall that's going to require it being away for 3 months.

Tesla's are engineering marvels. Too bad engineers are not EV mechanics. And Tesla has never figured out how to be a quality automobile company. Try to buy parts for an old Tesla and you'll figure out they only sell to vehicles in warranty.

And pray you'll never have an accident in a Tesla. Where are you going to get it fixed? And how backed up are authorized Tesla body shops?

See Rich Rebuilds on YouTube for an insight on what it's like to be a Tesla owner.

Maybe. Depends I guess. We have had two service issues in 3 years.

One was a camera out of alignment error. I think it was a software glitch as a couple of reboots and it went away. The tech came out anyway to check it out. All good. I think it was about 7 or 8 days after we put in the ticket on the app that he came out.

The second was when the left rear seat didn’t go down all the way when we pushed the button in the hatch. Made the appointment on the app. Had a choice of home service or bringing it to the service centre which is a few hundred kilometers from us. Chose home service again. 4 days later tech came out, did whatever he had to do and off he went. All good.

Frankly our service, maintenance and reliability track record with tesla is far superior to any company we have dealt with. EVER. I wouldn’t even consider another brand right now. And we work it hard. We travel a lot. And 3/4 of the kilometers on our model Y are towing so it’s seen lots of hard miles on some crappy roads.

Anyway. Just sayin. Our experience has been different than yours. So yah. It depends.



Cheers.

[radar]

Originally Posted by JoeJunior

Too bad Joe and Jane Six Pack still cannot afford a Tesla even with the price reduction.

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Re pricing. I don’t know. I think a lot of people in the US can afford 44000 bucks. Obviously not everybody. But I think the average car price is more than that in the US.

[F4Gary]

Originally Posted by JoeJunior

See Rich Rebuilds on YouTube for an insight on what it's like to be a Tesla owner.

I would love to have his Tesla S ICE-T with the Chevy small block in it.

[Ray,IN]

Originally Posted by Solo_RV_Guy

We've discussed this in other threads but many states are applying the equivalent of motor fuel tax with an EV registration fee surcharge. TANSTAAFL, as they abbreviate it.

There is a pervasive "thought" among some EV-deniers that EV owners expect/demand a free ride on road use fees, charging, etc. I've not encountered that and I think reasonable people, regardless of energy source, understand there are costs that do not change whether powered by petrol products or electricity and expect to pay for their use.

I can even understand the logic behind the idea floating around to charge road tax by miles driven.

[atreis]

Originally Posted by Ray,IN

I can even understand the logic behind the idea floating around to charge road tax by miles driven.

I wish they would do that. It would be a lot more fair than the flat fee that Ohio charges. ($100 a year for hybrids, $200 for PHEV and BEV) I'd likely end up paying more because of how much I drive, but that's fair. Many EVs are bought by people for in-town use though.

[hemifoot]

Originally Posted by Onyrlef

I’m in the DFW metro, the difference in Lewis Hamilton in his F1 and me in my 4 cyl. Outback would only be how long it took us getting between traffic lights.

sorry to hear about your current circumstance. i gave up urban for rural years ago. now nothing but rural roads and open highways and i get to open it up whenever the leadfoot hits me.

[Onyrlef]

Originally Posted by hemifoot

sorry to hear about your current circumstance. i gave up urban for rural years ago. now nothing but rural roads and open highways and i get to open it up whenever the leadfoot hits me.

Just depends on your thing I guess. To some driving a car is recreation to others it’s a utilitarian exercise to get from point A to point B and not particularly fun. It is however good to know if an unfortunate urbanite should get the notion to drive cars fast there’s a place where they do that.

[JoeJunior]

Originally Posted by radar

Re pricing. I don’t know. I think a lot of people in the US can afford 44000 bucks. Obviously not everybody. But I think the average car price is more than that in the US.

$44,000 financed on 60 months is about $850 a month on normal APRs.

$66,000 financed on 60 months for a Tesla would be about $1,300 a month.

Given most families are dealing with increased food costs, higher electricity bills and housing costs out of sight, a two car family will have difficulties affording two new automobiles of any kind.

[radar]

Originally Posted by JoeJunior

$44,000 financed on 60 months is about $850 a month on normal APRs.

$66,000 financed on 60 months for a Tesla would be about $1,300 a month.

Given most families are dealing with increased food costs, higher electricity bills and housing costs out of sight, a two car family will have difficulties affording two new automobiles of any kind.

Sure. But not everybody needs a 66000 dollar tesla. Many just buy the 44000 dollar tesla and it suits their needs fine. Everybody has different needs.