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Old 05-19-2022, 04:05 PM   #113
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Back to the topic of are they possible:

The 'MISO' part of America's power grid - whose full name is the Midcontinent Independent System Operator is at greatest risk of a large-scale outage.
That warning was given by the North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC), which released a map showing Michigan, most of Indiana, most of Illinois, and Wisconsin were in trouble.
Also at the highest risk are Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas and a small part of East Texas. That high-risk classification means that the existing power grid is 'potentially insufficient to meet peak load during both normal and extreme conditions,' according to NERC.

Anything is possible. Probable is a whole different cluster of problems. I’m just glad to have a few fossil fuel powered generators here. If I may on the thought of a diesel electric hybrid MH or Semi… This works well in trains where weight is not only not a concern, but a requirement. MH and Semis are hampered by tires and road weight restrictions.

Now you all can go back to arguing about the environment. Just please keep in mind that’s using electric too.
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LOL There's lots of info available on the web.. All very confusing.

I think that Henry Ford had it right when he said that in the future every household would have a town car and a touring car.
It seems to me that an EV or Hybrid would be suited to the town car/commuter/ local start-stop need, while ICE's would cover the longer touring car need.

Having said that I fail to see how an EV camper or Electric Travel trailer tow vehicle would make much sense..
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LOL There's lots of info available on the web.. All very confusing.

I think that Henry Ford had it right when he said that in the future every household would have a town car and a touring car.
It seems to me that an EV or Hybrid would be suited to the town car/commuter/ local start-stop need, while ICE's would cover the longer touring car need.

Having said that I fail to see how an EV camper or Electric Travel trailer tow vehicle would make much sense..
Why not. People do it all the time. We stopped in at an RV dealer to pick up some supplies. They sold a line of teardrop trailers. Lots of their customers were EV drivers. Lots of different ways to RV.

Different stokes…
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Hmm. Like in every technology there's going to be an "Overlap" period. That's understandable. Some see it one way, some see it the other way. That's why it's best to keep the 2035 target date in mind and reconvene every 3-5 yrs. We all understand that based on Today's EV technology and that of 3-5 yrs ago and 10 yrs ago, An E-RV (Class A) is not a good idea. But the thread Asks if EV MoHo's are GETTING more possible, which implies the possibilities of E-MoHos in the FUTURE, not Today. If we just drop everything today, then yeah it won't be possible. But Technology Advances Everyday. Technological advancements are made on a daily basis, hence it's wise to revisit this every 3-5 yrs, at least until 2035. As fast as Ev tech is moving, we might just jump right over EV's and move to the next Technology. I mean, In mountainous Switzerland 1 company is already using A Hydrogen fuel cell 18 wheeler to transport it's goods for over 300 mi, made by Hyundai. It seems pretty promising. So unless we induce or come to a standstill in EV tech, the Technology will continue to Advance.

With that said, Let's come back to the here and now. The present, the favorite subject. That's what most here seem to be defaulting to.
So based on Today's ev's and todays laws and economy (Ex. nissan leaf starts at $27K), let's see who's better off with this "inefficient" unperfected technology, since it's all about money:

The average cost of one kilowatt hour (kWh) in the USA is $0.12. The average driver drives 1,500 miles per month. Tesla's generally require around 25 kWh/100 miles. So 1,500 miles is 375 kWh - which adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill. If you drive less than 1500 mi you can bring that $45 dollars down.

Fuel efficiency for ICEs has improved dramatically in recent years. The average car sold in the United States gets an average of around 25 miles per gallon (MPG).

The average driver drives 1,500 miles per month, 375 mi a week. The Avg ICE today gets 25 mpg. It takes 15 gallons to travel 375 mi per week.
So here's a little chart.

15 gallons a week at $2 equals $30 x 4 weeks equals $120 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $2.50 equals $37.5 x 4 weeks equals $150 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $3 equals $45 x 4 weeks equals $180 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $3.5 equals $52.5 x 4 weeks equals $210 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $4 equals $60 x 4 weeks equals $240 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $4.25 equals $63.75 x 4 weeks equals $255 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $4.50 equals $67.50 x 4 weeks equals $270 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $5 equals $75 x 4 weeks equals $300 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $5.50 equals $82.50 x 4 weeks equals $330 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $6.00 equals $90 x 4 weeks equals $360 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $6.25 equals $93.75 x 4 weeks equals $375 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $6.50 equals $97.50 x 4 weeks equals $390 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $7 equals $105 x 4 weeks equals $420 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $7.50 equals $112.50 x 4 weeks equals $450 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.
15 gallons a week at $8 equals $120 x 4 weeks equals $480 a month. An EV adds about $45 to your monthly electricity bill.

The MSM said that by the end of summer/fall we can see prices in the $8 pg range. I used 15 gallons as an avg, but even if you ONLY use 10 gallons a week, you still can't beat that $45 a month on your Electric bill.
Excluding the Pandemic (2020) the last time the Nat'l avg for gas was $2 was in 2009. So for the past 10+ yrs you would have been better off driving/commuting in an Ev if you're the frugal kind.
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Well, I do understand your advocacy for EVs, but remember that as fuel costs rise and new electric plants have to be built to meet demand, the cost of electricity will also have to rise.
There just is no free lunch.
Of course along with that the cost of building all these EVs will have to rise as well.
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Another thing that must be accounted for is the immense amount of govt subsidies going into the EV business. Once those are gone the costs to build and sell them will have to rise substantially as well.

The oil companies get tax deferments for drilling on certain properties that the EV folks like to describe as subsidies, but they are nothing like the direct cash subsidies going into ethanol, wind, solar, and EVs. Take that away and they probably cannot survive.

Since we possess vast amounts of coal, natural gas and oil it just seems stupid to not develop cleaner uses of what we have and let nature take its course on the development of alternative fuels.

Not to is the intent to weaken our country deliberately. If you really care about the climate, talk to China, India, Pakistan, ect.
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Another thing that must be accounted for is the immense amount of govt subsidies going into the EV business. Once those are gone the costs to build and sell them will have to rise substantially as well.

The oil companies get tax deferments for drilling on certain properties that the EV folks like to describe as subsidies, but they are nothing like the direct cash subsidies going into ethanol, wind, solar, and EVs. Take that away and they probably cannot survive.

Since we possess vast amounts of coal, natural gas and oil it just seems stupid to not develop cleaner uses of what we have and let nature take its course on the development of alternative fuels.

Not to is the intent to weaken our country deliberately. If you really care about the climate, talk to China, India, Pakistan, ect.
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I can understand government identifying an issue and letting development find solutions. I am leery when government identifies an issue and determines the solution.
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We also subsidize the Oil and Gas industry billions per year via direct and indirect means.

But let’s face it every country in the world knows how to build an ICE vehicle, the competition in the next 20 years will be in the EV space. So if you want to be competitive in the future you need to promote the industries that have an export or Intellectual Property future. Batteries and charging systems will be industrial growth sectors worldwide for a few decades. No matter what we do here in the US the world is moving away from ICE.

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Haven’t most of the major auto manufactures said 2035 they will stop selling new ICE cars? In another 13 years EV technology will be much better than now. Tesla is what barely 10 years old? And their first car was a 2 seat electric convertible Lotus.

It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. By then I’ll probably be driving a wheelchair……
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In the news today are Musk's possible slashing of his production workforces.
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In the news today are Musk's possible slashing of his production workforces.
Mostly office staff. Tesla is in the process of hiring thousands of factory workers for Texas and Berlin. Tesla typically cleans house on the admin side every 3 years.
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