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Dieselgem · 10-07-2022, 09:26 AM

Thank God evacuations and living after the storm did not rely on electronic vehicles. There would be a lot more dead and hungry people. After seeing the devastation and now with Ev's exploding and catching fire, it is clear once again the cart is before the horse.

ChrisDParise · 10-07-2022, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dieselgem

Thank God evacuations and living after the storm did not rely on electronic vehicles. There would be a lot more dead and hungry people. After seeing the devastation and now with Ev's exploding and catching fire, it is clear once again the cart is before the horse.

On the other hand, gasoline engine vehicles start on fire and blow up all the time. In 40+ years of commuting I've seen plenty of vehicle fires and not 1 Ev fire - but not discounting they do happen. Just saying.

I am glad people evacuated in whatever vehicle they had. I am sure some gas, diesel or EV vehicles ran out of fuel - but that happens everyday everywhere.

In stricken areas people wait in lines at gas stations, if they're not closed outright - and there's rationing of gas sometimes in stricken areas.

When horses for travel and whale oil for lighting were on the way out, I am sure people lamented their demise.

Dieselgem · 10-07-2022, 10:36 AM

No laminating, just facts as they are here in Florida.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/electr...hurricane-ian/

dizcom · 10-07-2022, 10:43 AM

Just one car? Might be a little premature to say that exploding EVs are a problem. Guess it doesn't make much of a headline to say, "coincidental Tesla fire has nothing to do with hurricane, but happened in Florida, so there's that" as a headline.

propchef · 10-07-2022, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dieselgem

No laminating, just facts as they are here in Florida.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/electr...hurricane-ian/

So there are literally large boats piled on top of cars, bridges washed away, and thousands have lost everything, and you're surprised that salt water and electronics don't mix and feel the need to start a thread to discuss.

F4Gary · 10-07-2022, 11:50 AM

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So there are literally large boats piled on top of cars, bridges washed away, and thousands have lost everything, and you're surprised that salt water and electronics don't mix and feel the need to start a thread to discuss.

You don't have to read it.

TandW · 10-07-2022, 11:53 AM

A Florida Fire Chief was just reporting on NewsMax the fact that these flooded EVs need to be removed far away from other infrastructure, but there really is no safe place to store them. Meanwhile, those that have already caught fire are consuming fire resources with the difficulties in extinguishing their long burn.
As for the NY Post byline it in fact indicates more than one.

EZ1 · 10-07-2022, 01:12 PM

EV fires are no joke.
Special training for fire fighters
Recently they had to dig a pit and submerge a tesla to put the fire out
https://www.instagram.com/p/CewdngRA...eo_watch_again

ChrisDParise · 10-08-2022, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EZ1

EV fires are no joke.
Special training for fire fighters
Recently they had to dig a pit and submerge a tesla to put the fire out
https://www.instagram.com/p/CewdngRA...eo_watch_again

Gasoline spills and fires require special training too. Zillions more occurances with gas fires.

But good to know!

F4Gary · 10-08-2022, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisDParise

Gasoline spills and fires require special training too. Zillions more occurances with gas fires.

But good to know!

* occurences.

How many zeros in a zillion?

twinboat · 10-08-2022, 03:57 PM

Look at a the gas and oils that didn't polute the waters due to EVs.

I guess the moral of the story is " Don't drive your EV into deep salt water "

geordi · 10-08-2022, 05:09 PM

Florida has one of the highest ownership rates of electric vehicles outside of California. Likely due to Tesla's initial vehicle production prices aimed at the wealthy upper end of the car buying public.

There are (as of 2021) 107,000 electric plug-in (some hybrids included) vehicles registered in Florida, of which 54% are Tesla vehicles.

For brevity, let us say that it is an even 50,000 Teslas, since the number is probably fairly close to that.

One caught fire after being SUBMERGED. It didn't "explode", that is hyperbole from media sources who are well known for slanting their message to the 'max' they can.

One. Out of 50 THOUSAND. To visualize that.... A 5 pound can of shelled peanuts doesn't contain 50k in there. A 5 gallon BUCKET of shelled peanuts, might. Now find ONE particular peanut in there, that's still in the paper shell.

Point is - there are a LOT of electric vehicles that haven't been submerged and haven't caught fire. There are somewhere around 20 MILLION cars and trucks in Florida. I'm sure that at least a half dozen of those have caught fire just this WEEK. It happens all the time. Just 3 days ago I saw a semi truck on fire on the Turnpike, and that was the second one that I've seen on fire in a month. It isn't news though, because of how common it is.

Vehicle fires are common because there are a lot of ignition sources in EVERY vehicle, surrounded by LOTS of flammable fuels like seats and foams and plastics. And of course the tank of fuel.

This is only "news" because of the extreme right wing political slant of the source, nothing more. Cars that are submerged are much more prone to fires because of electrical shorts - doesn't matter WHERE they get their power from.

Arch Hoagland · 10-08-2022, 06:46 PM

geordi said:
"Florida has one of the highest ownership rates of electric vehicles outside of California."

Dang...I was wondering why we were having all these fires out here. Now I know.

geordi · 10-08-2022, 08:55 PM

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geordi said:
"Florida has one of the highest ownership rates of electric vehicles outside of California."

Dang...I was wondering why we were having all these fires out here. Now I know.

Yes - the cause for those fires has nothing to do with electric VEHICLES however, but has to do with PG&E selling off the transmission lines to unfunded subsidiaries, and then "paying rent" to send the power through those lines.

Unfortunately, that financial game playing results in not paying enough for the maintenance of those lines, and the completely-unexpected-and-never-ever-happened-before-Santa-Ana-Winds blew the lines into each other, igniting the Camp fire (among others).

But sure, go ahead and lap up the Faux Noise Pablum that it's all a result of "Whatever Boogeyman We Tell You To Hate Today" which I guess is the transition to much more efficient motive transportation.

Here's the thing about electric cars: For all the chest thumping about how terrible they could be for the environment... They actually are BETTER in many ways. They don't just run on oil. Or coal. Or nuclear. Or solar. Or hydro. They run on ALL of them! So if one of those is a pollution emitter.... AT THE POWER STATION, it's easy to control those emissions FOR EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME with a single installation of equipment. Or if there's a better way (solar, hydro, etc) that doesn't make pollution, then everyone benefits right away. Controlling emissions at a central non-moving location is always going to be easier and more efficient.

Also - The only limit on electric cars right now is the energy density and how fast you can put the power back in when charging. Gasoline has roughly 30 kWh of power in it when calculated to the same scale of energy. But a gas engine isn't 100% efficient, not by a long shot. The electric conversion from stored power to motion however, IS nearly 100% efficient. So for an electric car to have a 300 mile range on 100 kWh of battery.... That translates to a "tank" of just about 4 gallons of gas equivalent.

Name me ANY vehicle that can drive 300 miles on 4 gallons!

As battery and generation technologies improve, ALL the vehicle users will benefit at the same time. Right now, the right wing media are bleating about how "the infrastructure can't handle it" when there are already well over a million electric vehicles in the country, and as I detailed above - the problems with "the infrastructure" are entirely a self-made problem of the power companies themselves. THEY NEGLECTED THEIR MAINTENANCE for decades in service of short term profits, and now they want YOU to pay for it instead of reaping what they have sown.

Why are you doing their work for them, believing their lies? FPL has cried for YEARS (since at least 1992 with Andrew) that they need a "Special Storm Surcharge" to pay for hardening their infrastructure and BURYING THE POWER LINES.... Yet here we are AGAIN with a big storm, and thousands of bucket trucks out on the roads to fix the NON-BURIED LINES that have all fallen down. They have BARELY MANAGED 10% burial... in 30 years!

You are being lied to, to protect their profit margins and shareholder returns (FPL is over 11%). Stop believing the power company lies through the media!