Fully electric RV's are coming

[rarebear.nm]

Originally Posted by TandW

Hyping unproven technology while disparaging existing technology on which the masses depend is a form of FUD, in my opinion.

We are both entitled to our opinions.


We all live with only existing technology. I do not disparage existing technology. But I strongly believe that most everything, technology wise at least, is constantly changing. All one needs to do is look at rate of technological changes in the past ten years vs prior decade periods. The key is how quickly the rate of change is accelerating with each decade. It is this steady technological change I base my opinions that technology problems will be solved. The much larger doubt I have is how fast can our culture change to accept these technological advances.


I'm one of those folks that believe if you envision something and create a series of SMART goals you achieve almost anything. Look at SpaceX for example.

[TandW]

Originally Posted by rarebear.nm

We are both entitled to our opinions.


We all live with only existing technology. I do not disparage existing technology. But I strongly believe that most everything, technology wise at least, is constantly changing. All one needs to do is look at rate of technological changes in the past ten years vs prior decade periods. The key is how quickly the rate of change is accelerating with each decade. It is this steady technological change I base my opinions that technology problems will be solved. The much larger doubt I have is how fast can our culture change to accept these technological advances.


I'm one of those folks that believe if you envision something and create a series of SMART goals you achieve almost anything. Look at SpaceX for example.

Space X leaves the Earth on chemically propelled rockets. Much like those of young Dr. Goddard.

[propchef]

Originally Posted by TandW

Space X leaves the Earth on chemically propelled rockets. Much like those of young Dr. Goddard.

I admit I don’t keep up with such things but I was surprised to learn that rocket technology hasn’t evolved since 1926. Seems odd.

[rarebear.nm]

Originally Posted by TandW

Space X leaves the Earth on chemically propelled rockets. Much like those of young Dr. Goddard.

I think we are drifting off into space here.


My entire reason to use SpaceX as an example is how they develop and operate boosters and spacecraft. Before SpaceX we did not really have any rockets that could be reused, at least as quickly as SpaceX does it. They adopted a development model to build a prototype to test a particular set of changes. As long as they get the data wanted a crash landing was still a success. Their entire rocket and spacecraft program is radically different from what has been used before. Starlink is just another example of the success of their development approach. No one else has been able to provide the kind and quality of service they are doing.


The point is SpaceX had some visions and went about solving one technical issues after another until the achieved what they envisioned. Most what SpaceX does today was unproven technology a few years back.

[dizcom]

Originally Posted by TandW

Space X leaves the Earth on chemically propelled rockets. Much like those of young Dr. Goddard.

Rockets are fairly simple things. The wheel and rope haven't changed much either, but the technology to produce them and used with them has changed constantly. Rockets aren't the only thing that will get you into space, and like ICEs, will eventually be replaced. You can build yourself a rocket or a wheel or a rope in your backyard, but none of them are going on my rig. I fully expect that my next rig has the potential of being electric though, or rocket powered, one of the two.

[TandW]

It's almost a guaranteed certainty that when the brownouts and rolling blackouts begin this summer the BEVS will suffer. I hope no one dies from the heat because a BEV needed a charge.

[move on]

It seems foolish to put electric cars on the grid when the grid can't even handle existing loads. It makes much more sense to use ICEVs, especially since they are much more energy efficient than BEVs.

ICEV's are not going away. BEVs will be going away.

[radar]

Originally Posted by TandW

It's almost a guaranteed certainty that when the brownouts and rolling blackouts begin this summer the BEVS will suffer. I hope no one dies from the heat because a BEV needed a charge.

I don’t know. Most gas vehicles we have had don’t like to be idled for long periods in really hot temps. BEV’s do it with no problem. Personally I would rather sit on a traffic jam in a BEV than any gasser I have had.

Brown outs and rolling blackouts shouldn’t be a problem. Most people charge at night and start every day with a full “tank”. Most gas stations that I have seen don’t work well without power either.

Lots of misinformation out there.

Jmho.

[rarebear.nm]

Originally Posted by TandW

It's almost a guaranteed certainty that when the brownouts and rolling blackouts begin this summer the BEVS will suffer. I hope no one dies from the heat because a BEV needed a charge.

If we do have power outages this summer some people may die for a variety of reasons. I suspect if you examine the power consumed by air conditioning greatly exceeds that used by charging EVs. Most of which are charged at night. I doubt that data would show potential power outages will be caused by EV charging.


We could reduce the power grid load by reducing the amount of cooling we use, turn off more lights and turn of our computers.

[TandW]

Originally Posted by rarebear.nm

If we do have power outages this summer some people may die for a variety of reasons. I suspect if you examine the power consumed by air conditioning greatly exceeds that used by charging EVs. Most of which are charged at night. I doubt that data would show potential power outages will be caused by EV charging.


We could reduce the power grid load by reducing the amount of cooling we use, turn off more lights and turn of our computers.

Not WE. Say "I". And convince us you mean it! But I'll not give up my utilitarian electrical needs for your BEV.

[move on]

California electricity demand peaks around 7:00 PM, Most people come home from work and plug in before that.

[radar]

Originally Posted by move on

California electricity demand peaks around 7:00 PM, Most people come home from work and plug in before that.

Agreed. When we were working we were usually plugged in by 5:30. But the timer didn’t start the charging process till 1 in the morning. It was typically fine between 2 and 3 o’clock in the morning.

Is we are retired. The car is plugged in most nights. Timers are still set the same.

[EyezOpen]

Once upon a time I would have agreed with a EV/RV future. The tech actually was a perfect fit, extremely high tourqe and very little pollution. Not to mention almost unlimited boondocking..a truly self sustainable commodity. Fascinating.

Watching Tesla design and build the electric semi was very interesting, another natural fit. So much so the trucking industry stood in line just waiting to order fleets of tractors, yet it did not happen.

As frustrating as this may sound it was simply a matter of economics, one tractor uses 3 or more batteries, that meant 3 less autos. Do keep in mind Tesla enjoys a very handsome reward on each and every vehicle it sells, with world wide EV demand exceeding production capacity (battery) the EV semi was put on hold.

This world wide demand has presented many issues for manufacturing, supply,cost and technology. To add to these issues the EU countries now are in a desperate spot for large battery capacity...that will place further demands on battery manufacturing, again straining raw materials and supply.

The industry moved very fast, incredibly fast. It's now time for it to mature and build some foundational guidelines. It will be fascinating to watch, how and where it all ends who knows.

A long time ago I remember quite distinctively my first Razor phone, my thoughts went to startrek. That little communicator that fascinated me as a child..Speaking of children about that time my children insisted they needed cell phones. The oldest was 16, at the that moment I did not get it. No phones for teeny boppers, until I was informed texting was the new form of building bonds with there peers. I just blinked,looked at my wife and said...we have come all this way, I now have a star trek communicator and they want to dumb it down to the telegraph!...Today we have the world wide web, social networking it's almost mind numbing. Speaking for myself where this EV phenomenon ends will be the ongoing adventure.

[move on]

Did you know that Tesla has never made money by selling cars? They make their money by selling CAFE credits to makers of ICE cars. When you purchase an ICE vehicle you are paying several thousands of dollars more for it because of the CAFE standards, and that extra money is going to makers of EVs. The CAFE credit system is laced with fraud, starting with the EPA's MPGe rating on the window sticker. If the window sticker says your EV is getting 100 MPGe, what it really means is that, after accounting for the efficiency of the electric grid of only 35%, you are only getting 35 MPG. This makes EVs look better than ICEVs and results in money being taken out of your pocket and handed over to EV makers without you even realizing it.