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05-16-2022, 04:56 AM
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Fully electric RV's are coming
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05-16-2022, 07:25 AM
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Lost interest in the article as soon as it stated, "emissions free camping". Let's get real before pushing an agenda, please!
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05-16-2022, 08:02 AM
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Electric vehicles are not emission free at all. The electricity is still generated by fossil fuel plants, and it also takes energy to build the batteries and vehicle. Take a look at the TOTAL carbon footprint to get to the EV.
For the time being EVs are just a feel-good thing until we can get to an energy base with more renewable energy sources.
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05-16-2022, 08:40 AM
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I think the batteries that are required for an electric RV are of concern. Not only are they expensive and heavy but their manufacture is environmentally damaging. Given that a typical RV sits unused most of the time it's hard to see this as a green vehicle.
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05-16-2022, 09:11 AM
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The article highlights the class 'B's which I see as doable now with hybrid technology that utilizes batteries and a smaller ICE, but, the hydrogen that they are discussing will take time since that infastructure does not exist to make this option viable at this point in time. If we were in the class 'B' market I would certainly consider a hybrid that met the above criteria.
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05-16-2022, 10:47 AM
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Yeah. Let's all head off to the campground and stink one another out with some renewable wood-smoke! 
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05-16-2022, 11:05 AM
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Im wondering how the parks will pass on the costs of charging rvs? After our electric bikes lithium batteries gave up after 2 years and were not worth $1200 for battery replacements, I’ll probably be using IC for a long time yet.
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05-16-2022, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Arizona
Im wondering how the parks will pass on the costs of charging rvs? After our electric bikes lithium batteries gave up after 2 years and were not worth $1200 for battery replacements, I’ll probably be using IC for a long time yet.
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Wish I had Artie's old Whizzer motorbike!
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05-16-2022, 11:21 AM
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Lost interest in the article as soon as it stated, "emissions free camping". Let's get real before pushing an agenda, please!
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What emissions do EVs put out?
So for ICE vehicles should we add to the emissions the vehicles put out all the emissions that are produced in the exploration, drilling, pumping, transportation and delivery of gasoline and diesel fuel?
I forgot to add refining to the list of things that produces emissions to the making of gasoline and diesel fuel.
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05-16-2022, 11:35 AM
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Honestly 125 miles of range would be just fine for me.
Yes there are embodied emissions in the manufacturer of EV batteries and motors, but they’re still lower-emitting on a life cycle basis. Lots of peer-reviewed research on this for people who are actually interested.
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05-16-2022, 11:39 AM
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What emissions do EVs put out?
So for ICE vehicles should we add to the emissions the vehicles put out all the emissions that are produced in the exploration, drilling, pumping, transportation and delivery of gasoline and diesel fuel?
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Certainly not!!! This thread alone depends on fossil fuel in every aspect imaginable. So does your health and well-being! Petroleum is the feedstock for too many things to ever cover them all here.
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05-16-2022, 11:46 AM
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Certainly not!!! This thread alone depends on fossil fuel in every aspect imaginable. So does your health and well-being! Petroleum is the feedstock for too many things to ever cover them all here.
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Agreed, petroleum is valuable. Seems a shame to burn it for energy when there are so many alternatives.
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05-16-2022, 11:51 AM
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Agreed, petroleum is valuable. Seems a shame to burn it for energy when there are so many alternatives.
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Propose for us a renewable energy source for oil drilling in the Gulf or on the North Slope. This ought to be fun!
On edit, flying to the drill sight is out as there are no alternative fuels for that.
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05-16-2022, 02:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TandW
Propose for us a renewable energy source for oil drilling in the Gulf or on the North Slope. This ought to be fun!
On edit, flying to the drill sight is out as there are no alternative fuels for that.
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Straw man arguments can be fun, agreed. Given that this is an RV forum, let’s focus on road transportation, rather than remote power needs and aviation. And forget “renewable” too. I work in the nuclear power industry.
So back to my point, there are viable alternatives to petroleum-derived gasoline and diesel. We should save hydrocarbons for their many other uses.
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