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tcg · 10-08-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxon

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LOL... Newsmax is about as reliable as National Enquirer reporting on Elvis and flying saucer sightings...

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Not only that but it's been 3 days since Florida's Chief Financial Officer & State Fire Marshal warned everyone about the impending doom and the only story about any EV catching fire is the Tesla in Naples from 3 days ago that was put out with water.

Patronis tweeted that he sent a letter to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration asking for guidance on how to handle the fires but in his letter he only cited that single Tesla fire from a few days ago.

If they were so dangerous I would think there would be more news stories or Patronis would have cited them in his letter to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

I don't doubt there is some risk but man is he using a single fire as an attack on the EV industry.

propchef · 10-08-2022, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxon

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LOL... Newsmax is about as reliable as National Enquirer reporting on Elvis and flying saucer sightings...

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Indeed. And while this isn't really surprising given the extreme circumstances and could certainly be a genuine risk, they have other, more pressing dangers to deal with.

A little light reading. This is the EPA Flood Guide for underground storage tanks like gas stations use.

If you've never been through something like this firsthand it's hard to imagine the complete devastation. Making an issue out of one car in all of this to disparage an entire industry is

Marine359 · 10-08-2022, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by David 70

Hi, I'm from the goverment and I'm here to help you. I would say this sentence would apply here.

I think Dwight Eisenhower said that just before he built the interstate highway system. Without it, not many would be driving RVs all over the country, and interstate commerce would be in the dark ages. Not being political here, just a reminder of what can be accomplished when government invests in infrastructure projects that would never be undertaken by private industry.

vtwinwilly · 10-08-2022, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bt bruiser

I love hotdogs, DW DESPISES them. Every couple of weeks I have hotdogs for supper. DW eats something that she prefers. We don't call each other names or try to convince the other to like what we like. Just sayin.

I'm with you.

I'm a "Do it all" kind of guy.

I do have a question. . . How would you feel if one day your wife said . . . "No more hot dogs in this house!"?

kdauto · 10-08-2022, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vtwinwilly

I'm with you.

I'm a "Do it all" kind of guy.

I do have a question. . . How would you feel if one day your wife said . . . "No more hot dogs in this house!"?

The thing is,even if you eat 100 hot dogs a day, it won't affect me directly.

The issue at hand is pollution and how we affect the environment. There's a reason ICE are being phased out. If the OEMs can figure it out to close to no pollution, things may change.

Old-Biscuit · 10-08-2022, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kdauto

The thing is,even if you eat 100 hot dogs a day, it won't affect me directly.

The issue at hand is pollution and how we affect the environment. There's a reason ICE are being phased out. If the OEMs can figure it out to close to no pollution, things may change.

Shifting the pollution not curing it.

kdauto · 10-08-2022, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

Shifting the pollution not curing it.

That is your opinion. Piles of studies and data show EVs as less polluting than any ICE in as little as 1 year of use.

Clean energy exists.

We have to start doing something soon.

TandW · 10-09-2022, 06:49 AM

I agree with OB. Additionally, Fire-Fighters should be able to view a window decal denoting that an 2000# lithium battery is in the garage. I have to do this for my oxygen tanks.

SawdustRadio · 10-09-2022, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mogul264

Your "excess power" can NOT come from any solar, at night there ISN'T ANY!. Wind power only happens with WIND. This too, is not constant! You would HAVE to rely upon <GASP!> FOSSIL FUEL GENERATORS! At present, this is about SEVENTY PERCENT of our total power! Solar/wind only produces about 10%, AT OPTIMUM TIMES! The rest? Hydro and nuclear. [moderator edit] SHRIEK about nuclear, so no new ones have been built for DECADES! And hydro? Water storage is down to the MUD in the west! [moderator edit]

This is where battery storage in EVs come into play by shifting night power to peak times. They will make intermittent power more viable and why the fossil fuel industry is so scared of them. Wind power is already cheaper than natural gas power plant. Wind power is west Texas is most prevalent at night per ERCOT data. Lots of the fossil fuel plants are shutdown at night. Windmills are often feathered because demand is not high enough at night and why wear the windmills. With EVs, this power could be harnessed and stored instead of thrown away. Saying wind is not constant is like telling casinos to never open because they do not always win. Electric power companies and casinos have very intelligent statisticians and billions of dollars invested to take too much of chance.

SawdustRadio · 10-09-2022, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

Shifting the pollution not curing it.

The grid gets cleaner every day but if we stay ICE, there is no improving until the one gets rid of the vehicle. Every little bit helps. I like the saying, "A lot of freckles make a good tan".

F4Gary · 10-09-2022, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kdauto

We have to start doing something soon.

Why? We can't stop an ice age, nor can we start one.

F4Gary · 10-09-2022, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ChadBounder

You are correct, the climate is changing but then again, the climate has been changing for centuries. A changing climate is nothing new. The only thing that is new is this insane idea we can stop it. Humans and animals have adapted to the changes ever since there was life on earth.

The idea that running around driving little battery powered cars will stop the climate from changing is well delusional. If we want to move to electric fine but stop this panic nonsense and don't force it down the throats of the population. And really understand what you are asking for, does anyone know the environmental impact of making those batteries or solar panels? Look it up and not at CNN or Yahoo and you will be surprised.

Sure, one day we will all be electric heck one day we'll all be atomic, but the electric pipedream is decades away. I wish the current clowns in power would stop making the American people suffer just so they can say they are "saving the planet".

Eggzactly.

propchef · 10-09-2022, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by F4Gary

Why? We can't stop an ice age, nor can we start one.

But we can stop throwing plastic in the oceans and stop with the practices we control that we know cause harm.

Why humans insist on relieving themselves in the pool and thinking it's OK is beyond me.

vtwinwilly · 10-09-2022, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SawdustRadio

This is where battery storage in EVs come into play by shifting night power to peak times. They will make intermittent power more viable . . .

. . . and what makes you think I want my very expensive EV battery - that I’m financially responsible for - used as a public utility.

After all, these batteries have a finite number of dis-charge/re-charge cycles. Then they degrade, then I have to replace it (or scrap the car).

. . . and if I don’t agree with that, the next step will be to force me to comply, and then we have a problem!