Some Chevy E-Silverado info. 2023 production. Kinda cool lookin.

[radar]

Saw this on Buzz. It’s not ugly. Looks like it’s on a dedicated EV platform. Could give ford a little competition.

https://carbuzz.com/news/this-is-whe...jEchSM1Coz9I2I

[xc-mark]

for the masses I am sure this is a reality in the next 2~5 years. For Me unless they figure out a way to put 4 tires on the rear axle and have a payload rating or at least 5000 lbs and a tow rating of 20,000lbs+ with a range of say 400~500 miles (while towing ) before a recharge or on road recharge (IE a generator onboard). Then and only then will I be buy one. I am sure they will get there but for now I will stick with my oil burning beast that pulls anything you can hook to the back of it. On the other hand I am trying to convice my wife to by a plug in SUV in the next year or less, She never drives more then a hour away from home and could benift from a EV. The question is will the utility companys be ready for all this added load from cars,trucks and class 9 intercity trucks ?????? Be ready for your home electric bills to more then double in the next 3 years. We have built very few power plants since the 80's, where is all this power going to come from ,ask yourself are WE as a country ready for the EPA mandated 100% new cars forsale be only EV ??????

Currently all the large scale Solar project in the North East still do NOT have any onsite battery storage. Typicly this storage is only used to buffer the sun going be hind clouds and the power plant needed to ramp up its power output.
Rant over , please forgive me if you dont see the value in my Rant!

[steve52]

Wondering where the grid will get the energy to power EVs?
It takes 5 kwH of electricity to refine a gallon of gas. A Tesla Model S can go 20 miles on 5kwH. And that is just refining, it doesn't count the massive amount of energy used to extract, transport, and distribute fuel. Stop refining, and we already have a significant amount of the electricity required to power EVs.

[Griffin44]

I think individual solar is also very practical. We converted to about 70% solar power for modest cost (return on investment within 8 years). No reason this couldn't be the norm for most business and private owners of EV's. More challenging for apartment/condo folks.



Very interested to see directly solar powered passenger vehicles making it to market.

[wolfe10]

Originally Posted by steve52

Wondering where the grid will get the energy to power EVs?
It takes 5 kwH of electricity to refine a gallon of gas. A Tesla Model S can go 20 miles on 5kwH. And that is just refining, it doesn't count the massive amount of energy used to extract, transport, and distribute fuel. Stop refining, and we already have a significant amount of the electricity required to power EVs.

Would sure work in a place like Houston. Most other areas of the country-- not so much (no refineries within 200 miles).

[fstruys]

Doesn't matter where the refinery "was" located, the electrical grid will transport that "unused" energy anywhere it's needed. The current limitations of battery-powered RVs will "disappear" at some point in the future just like the current EVs capabilities seemed so out of reach just a few years ago.

Today, my 2016 Tesla S gets about 210 miles for the $4.75 price of 1 gallon of low-grade gasoline in my area. When I bought it in early 2016, everyone was shocked at the 105 mpg-equivalent that was advertised then. Six years ago, there were just a handful of EVs for sale. Now, there are over 75 models of EVs available.

The rate of progress, is exponential and, IMHO, we will probably see an all-electric RV with the usual A/C units, appliances, etc., with a 1000mile range long before anyone expects it to be available. Imagine eliminating the maybe 10,000 pounds of engine, drive train, tanks with fuel, Onan generator, cooling systems, exhaust systems, etc. all replaced by just batteries, motors & controller.

One third of my Tesla's weight is just batteries and it's 70kWh. At 1,600 pounds for 70kWh, that could provide over 400kWh of batteries in an RV at with an "extra" 10,000 pounds of available weight capacity?

Felix & Becky, 2007 CC Allure Sunset Bay 37' (weighing about 40,000 lbs)
Vancouver, WA

[RightUR]

Originally Posted by fstruys

Doesn't matter where the refinery "was" located, the electrical grid will transport that "unused" energy anywhere it's needed. The current limitations of battery-powered RVs will "disappear" at some point in the future just like the current EVs capabilities seemed so out of reach just a few years ago.

The rate of progress, is exponential and, IMHO, we will probably see an all-electric RV with the usual A/C units, appliances, etc., with a 1000mile range long before anyone expects it to be available. Imagine eliminating the maybe 10,000 pounds of engine, drive train, tanks with fuel, Onan generator, cooling systems, exhaust systems, etc. all replaced by just batteries, motors & controller.

One third of my Tesla's weight is just batteries and it's 70kWh. At 1,600 pounds for 70kWh, that could provide over 400kWh of batteries in an RV at with an "extra" 10,000 pounds of available weight capacity?

Felix & Becky, 2007 CC Allure Sunset Bay 37' (weighing about 40,000 lbs)
Vancouver, WA

Well said. Most folks here want to judge EV's based on technology from 1-3 yrs ago. Most of TODAYS technology is not even published yet, because it's in an experimental phase. Then companies come out with their CONCEPTS and many, on the internet, want to just ridicule them and laugh at them, yet they are the ones that are just wannabe armchair Electrical engineers with no credentials to their names. They tend to forget that there are TEAMS of Electrical engineers working on these projects, with real knowledge coming out of MIT, GIT, Stevens institute of Technology, Cal Tech and other Reputable Tech schools/universities from good ol' US of A.
Most European countries have set a mandatory ICE Phase out date for 2025 and 2030, which means that the Car manufacturers are ready to offer Competitive products. Some of our states already passed Legislation to PHASE OUT ICE's by 2035. GMC is going All Electric by 2035. This means that BIG AUTO is confident that by 2030 and 2035 they will have a product that meets the expectations of 90-95% of the market or customers: Close to zero emissions for mother nature, range of at least 400 miles, a 80% to 100% charge in 10-15 mins. That's by todays expectations, by 2035 those standards and expectations may be "Old News," and a thing of the "past."
At my age, I don't see myself driving 400 miles from point A to point B in ONE day anyway, those days are over, so I'm fine with an RV that gives me 400 miles to a charge (I don't think I'm alone there), but by 2035 I'm sure the technology will be more advanced.
Why all this Pessimism toward EV technology? all it requires is doing some research and folks will be closer to being believers than now. I mean look at the STRIDES AND ADVANCEMENTS we've made in DNA testing...Perps are going to jail for stuff they did BEFORE the technology even came out. Just look at the Advancements we've made in the past 15 yrs. How can you not be optimistic that from here until 2035 things can only get better quicker and faster for EVs? All this negativity it just boggles the mind.
As Aforementioned (in another post) How much does a Refinery cost (to build and operate and maintain)? How much does and Oil Rig Cost (construction and operational cost and maintenance)? In the ocean and on land? How much does a Pipe line cost? And that's without considering Oil spills, Oil leaks and the repercussions on the ecology and mother nature and the price for clean ups and court cases. Costs for Windtricity, Solar Energy and Hydroelectricity, pale in comparison. Batteries and battery banks/packs can be Disassembled and Recycled (for the most part).
Again, the goal is not to rid the world of Fossil fuels, it's to get emissions down to 50-70%. Power plants using fossil fuel produce 40% of carbon emissions, So what if 210 million of our 278 million cars were EV's?(less carbon emissions)
Sorry I keep repeating myself, no matter what thread, but the same or similar question keeps coming up, and the answer doesn't change.

[move on]

I don't see why people keep making the claim that EVs are so efficient that they are destined to become the way of the future. EVs are actually very inefficient. I think maybe people are being misled by the MPGe ratings on the window sticker. This is a nonsensical and disingenuous number. It measures the vehicle's energy use starting at the charge plug and conveniently ignores the energy lost in generating the electricity and getting it the plug. The average electric grid in the US has a thermal efficiency of only 35% when measured at the charge plug. That means if you put 100 BTU of energy into the gas turbine or other prime mover you only have 35 BTU left for the vehicle to use. The MPGe sticker that says 100 MPGe should really be saying 35 MPGe (35% x 100 MPG). Note that 35 MPg is far worse than an equivalently powered diesel or hybrid powered vehicle. This means that we will never see electric semis and certainly never see electric motor homes making it into the mainstream.

[dja06422]

Do your research. If you take into account the high cost of an EV, then look at the the cost of electricity which can carry greatly by location, the cost per mile is higher than a bio powered counterpart. I agree that if will help offset high carbon numbers, but at who's expense? The consumers of course. Depending on the vehicle, your ROI won't be recocovered for 50+ years.

[radar]

Originally Posted by dja06422

Do your research. If you take into account the high cost of an EV, then look at the the cost of electricity which can carry greatly by location, the cost per mile is higher than a bio powered counterpart. I agree that if will help offset high carbon numbers, but at who's expense? The consumers of course. Depending on the vehicle, your ROI won't be recocovered for 50+ years.

Your experience has been considerably different than many commuters who have switched to electric. But, as you say, maybe it’s a regional thing.

[RightUR]

I'm baffled that folks keep on forgetting the Target date. You want to keep judging this technology as if you're going to buy a car tomorrow. So for most of the Global Economy the TARGET DATE is 2030 and for the U.S. it's 2035. Not Tomorrow, not Yesterday, Not in 2 yrs. 2035!
Until last yr cars only went 125-200 miles on a charge. in 2022 WE ARE PAST THAT, we're already looking at 250-300 miles. Next year it will be better, in 2024 even better, and so on. Seems like the INEFFICIENCY number are decreasing my the yr. So Imagine, which I KNOW you CAN NOT, but just try; Imagine what EV's will be able to accomplish by 2035. Oh did I tell y'all that 2035 is the Target date? Because I know that y'all have heard it before, not from me, and y'all keep ignoring it. So Again 2035. I may be dead by then or on my last leg still driving my Grandfathered DP. Most of y'all here seem to be older than me so y'all won't be far behind.
ANYWAY, we are from the FOSSIL FUEL Era. This EV technology is not aimed at you, it is meant for Millenials and Gen Z'ers. 70% of our youth care about the Environment, and if this means losing out on Efficiency to a certain extent, to save the planet, then it's a sacrifice worth making.
I know, I know most folks our age, don't care: it's all about "ME", I do what I want, it's ok to indulge and be inconsiderate, and all that bull. Nah, not the newer Generations, they're different. They're more conscientious, because they're always on that darn cell phone with info and knowledge all around them.
I keep telling my son:" It's your world Now, you and your peers decide; we decided "Yesterday" and look where it got us, Now it's your turn: Do Better."

[Solo_RV_Guy]

I, for one, welcome our new battery-powered overlords! /satire

Davinci *wanted* to fly, but about 400 years later, the Wright Brothers *did*. That's a lot of time but consider the overall state of technology in the late 1400s vs the early 1900s. Things changed and man flew.

I've no doubt that various technologies will evolve or be discovered that will provide personal transportation with zero vehicle emissions.

Corporations that build vehicles have moved on, or at least appear to have done so. At this point those who belabor the passing of the internal combustion engine for routine, individual transportation might as well be shouting at clouds.

[move on]

I find it amazing how some people automatically hate internal combustion engines. We now have ICEs that are more efficient than the electric grid. That makes them more energy efficient, more economical and cleaner than a battery powered vehicle. I think we will see the EV fad disappearing in a few years. Certainly you can forget about electric motor homes, a disastrous concept any way you look at it.

Not to say that EVs are going away. They do have some value in getting emissions out of the city and transferring them to a power plant stack in the countryside to dissipate. And they are fun to drive, thanks to their high starting torque. Also, some people like the convenience of charging at home. So they aren't gong away completely.

[RightUR]

Originally Posted by move on

I find it amazing how some people automatically hate internal combustion engines. We now have ICEs that are more efficient than the electric grid. That makes them more energy efficient, more economical and cleaner than a battery powered vehicle. I think we will see the EV fad disappearing in a few years. Certainly you can forget about electric motor homes, a disastrous concept any way you look at it.

Not to say that EVs are going away. They do have some value in getting emissions out of the city and transferring them to a power plant stack in the countryside to dissipate. And they are fun to drive, thanks to their high starting torque. Also, some people like the convenience of charging at home. So they aren't gong away completely.

it's amazing how many people automatically hate EVs. ICE's have a 110 yr head start on EVs which includes 100s of billons in R&D. So it's an unfair argument to begin with. Not to mention the Big Oil and Big Auto Lobby groups. So EV's started with an unfair disadvantage to begin with.
BUT.......Thank Goodness Good ol' Murica is ALL about MONEY and hates to miss out when there's money to be had somewhere. ENTER the GLOBAL economy. I don't know if you've noticed, but Murica is no longer calling the shots when it comes to the global economy. Here we have Amazon, in Asia there's Alibaba, 2 to 3x Amazon. Here we have GMC, Ford. What? Chrysler dodge and Jeep, yeah sorry they're owned by Stellantis out of Europe who also owns Peugeot, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Chrysler, Jeep, Ram, Dodge and so on, Oh Europe has Mercedes, BMW, VW, Audi, Companies who in turn own citroen, Rolls royce, opel, mini cooper, Porsche and so on. That's A lot of competion. China owns Volvo and bunch of other car manufacturers. Also, ALL the Major Auto companies have manufacturing plants in China. Chinese law says 10% of all cars Manufactured in China WILL BE EVs. Do you see where this is going? Even India has TaTa auto Company. By 2030 99% of those companies are Going EV. AS you can infer from what I'm saying, Murica is ONE out of all the other major Auto manufacturing Countries. Basically we have little say. So if we want part of the gravy train, we better play nice.
Our Capitalistic "free market" society has made it possible for foreign companies to buy out our best "Made in America" companies like Chrysler-dodge-Jeep and it let China buy up more than a 1000 of our companies and close to 1/3 of our real estate. Am I livid, you betcha. When we were growing up and our parents were young, America was an Industrial force to be reckoned with and we called all the shots...Not anymore. That ship has sailed. So yeah, No EV's are just the beginning, then comes Hydrogen and various other technologies, that you and me won't have the pleasure of witnessing. ICE's are yesterdays technology. It's time to look forward to 2035.