Washington state. Proposed date for phase out of new vehicle sales with tail pipes.

[SteveNSue]

There is a documentary by Michael Moore that has not been widely distributed that disputes some of the backstory about the new green movement. For example, the making of ethanol (fermented corn for use as a gasoline additive) uses coal as a cooking fuel. A wood fired power plant uses large diesel equipment to chop down and cut up the wood for fuel, coal fired power plants used to power GM's "new" electric vehicles.


The use of existing infrastructure to build and power these new EV's will result in a neutral net gain. If people returned to bicycles and horses then there might be a measurable impact but at a cost to the norms of society. Besides, when you stop selling gasoline and collecting taxes then the cost of operating an EV's suddenly increases to compensate for the shift from petro fuels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NvDaMQs6g

[move on]

The EV revolution has similarities to the ethanol revolution. Both are based on politics rather than science. We now see the ethanol revolution as an ecological disaster. Will the EV revolution turn out the same way?

[jeanluc001]

check out a channel on you tube called RICH REBUILDS
you'll see how much control tesla has over YOUR CAR.

[radar]

Originally Posted by move on

These proclamations all sound good but the fact is that the technological problems associated with banning gasoline have not yet been solved. One of the biggest of these is the supply of batteries and materials for batteries. Battery production is highly energy intensive. It takes twice the energy to produce an EV than a gasoline powered car. And batteries need materials that simply are not available in large enough quantities at economical prices. They may never be.

Somebody is banning gasoline? Where?

[Lt Dan]

Reminder

Several posts have drifted into political comments. Please stay within the Community Rules and keep politics out of the discussion.

Thank you to those posting correctly.

[Petro]

Originally Posted by taylorbob1

Back to the OP, in WA state...

Since the state will receive less gas tax revenue with a larger percentage of electric cars on the road...How will they create govt revenue to fix roads, bridges, and other state transportation fixes?
- Will they tax per mile?
- Will they add a new electricity tax for everyone?
- Will electric cars have a higher sales tax and yearly registration then existing gas cars?

This is well stated. States & the Feds will need to raise the necessary funds to maintain our state highways and interstate highways. I will use the term Motor Fuel Tax instead of Gas Tax. Diesel fuel has .06 more Federal Motor Fuel tax than gas has.

EVs will have to pay their fair share of the costs of maintaining our highway system. That cost should not fall disproportionately on the backs of those who still need to power their vehicles with an ICE.

I can visualize a per mile charge based on the weight of the vehicle or a metered source that charges by KWH or fraction there of. JMHO

Don

[jcussen]

Many states are already collecting extra fees on EV's already.
https://pluginamerica.org/policy/ev-road-usage-fees/

[Bigfin]

Originally Posted by radar

I have no problem with hydrogen and think it will play a role in the heavy transport industry. But I see two challenges.

1. There is virtually no hydrogen delivery network. It’s risky to transport and store. Whereas the electricity network is well developed the world over and all that needs to be added are the charge facilities. And in many circumstances can be added with no connection to the grid, no permits, no construction etc. Just have a flat piece of parking lot, a cell phone and a credit card and it will be delivered to your location. 10 minute set up. (Make sure you have a 30,000 dollar limit).

2. Hydrogen is expensive. More expensive than gas or diesel. And the expense of fuel stations is exhorbitant whereas charge stations are relatively cheap. Literally 25 to 50 times as much depending on what you read.

Jmho.

An insight on the Hydrogen production front: https://douglaspud.org/Pages/Renewab...ect-Award.aspx

Just one way to efficiently produce hydrogen. In this case, wasted spring river runoff is converted to hydrogen...

[radar]

Kinda cool.