Free 7 Day Trial RV GPS App RV Trip Planner Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Free 7 Day Trial ×
RV Trip Planning Discussions

Go Back   iRV2 Forums > MOTORHOME FORUMS > Electric RVs and EV Charging
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-11-2021, 03:52 AM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 710
Where is the Tesla Semi?

Is the long awaited Tesla Semi dead? The last we heard was that the project is delayed because there are not enough battery cells available to build the 500 kwh battery packs. Then the other day the chief executive on the Semi project mysteriously left the company. I think it's possible that the Semi has hit a technological brick wall: running an 80,000 lb vehicle on lithium batteries is doomed to economic failure and we are never going to see one rolling down the road. The big question is, if the project does get cancelled, what is this going to mean for the company, its investors and for Elon Musk? Will they all crash along with the Semi?
move on is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 06-11-2021, 10:29 AM   #2
Moderator Emeritus
 
TXiceman's Avatar


 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Texas Boomers Club
Oklahoma Boomers Club
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Full Time, TX Home Base
Posts: 19,854
Blog Entries: 21
I agree. The electric semi is not something that is not ready for prime-time.

Ken
__________________
Amateur Radio Operator (KE5DFR)|Full-Time! - 2012 6.7L Ford Crew Cab Dually -2013 HitchHiker Champagne 38RLRSB - Travel with one Standard Schnauzer and one small Timneh African Gray Parrot
TXiceman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 11:19 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 710
The same goes for electric RVs. The idea is dead. There will never be enough lithium batteries available for these applications. We're lucky enough to have them for cell phones, eBikes and hybrid applications.
move on is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 07:05 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,500
Well, if it is or is going to be cancelled then Frito-Lays is going to be pissed as they just finished installing Mega chargers at some of their depots to accomodate the Tesla Semis they have on order. Stay tuned I suppose.

And as far as Tesla crashing. Who knows in the long run. But at least for now they are a fairly successful and fast growing company with a kick-a$$ Supercharger network. They’ll probably close out the year building 3000 cars a day worldwide. Not bad for a company everybody said would be gone by 2017. .

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesm...uck-approaches
radar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 07:09 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 710
Yes. I'm sure they are not going to like it. I don't like it either. But I think it's inevitable that a lot of people will get burned.
move on is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 07:16 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by move on View Post
Yes. I'm sure they are not going to like it. I don't like it either. But I think it's inevitable that a lot of people will get burned.
Time will tell. Hope they make it. Lots of good jobs and really the only competitive North American EV maker. If they go down China and Europe will be the major EV builders of the world.
radar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 07:24 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_D View Post
Waiting and batteries from china?
Batteries for Chinese Teslaís are built in China. Batteries for American made Teslaís come from Nevada or Japan. German Tesla batteries will be built in Germany.

Tesla is one of the highest ďNorth American ContentĒ vehicles sold. Most of the battery R&D comes from Tesla Canada and all the battery manufacturing for models 3 and Y come from Nevada.

Some of the raw materials for batteries come from China and some of the Aluminum from Canada although there are lithium and nickel mines in the US and Canada being developed right now. Should be an interesting decade.
radar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 07:29 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,500
Interesting read.

Tesla dominates American made 2020 index.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/electrek...automaker/amp/
radar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 07:39 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,500
I’m sure they’ll sell as many of these as they can build. Jay Leno even likes it.

https://youtu.be/5zkIDLk9Qao
radar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2021, 10:51 AM   #10
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 710
EVs are not doubt great performance vehicles. The problem I have with the EV revolution is that it's built upon the false premise that the earth is warming due to fossil fuel use, and that it's built upon the false economy of government subsidies. Take away the false premise and the false economy and let's see how much of the EV revolution remains.
move on is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2021, 11:27 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by move on View Post
EVs are not doubt great performance vehicles. The problem I have with the EV revolution is that it's built upon the false premise that the earth is warming due to fossil fuel use, and that it's built upon the false economy of government subsidies. Take away the false premise and the false economy and let's see how much of the EV revolution remains.
Well my friend I think you and I disagree on this angle. But thatís ok. Discussion is good. In my opinion most people who are buying EVís buy them for reasons like performance, convenience and tech. And for some with long commutes who buy on payments the fuel and maintenance savings are as much as the payment essentially making the car free. I run into VERY FEW EV drivers that have any kind of climate change agenda (including me). But many do like the clean air aspect of them. Garages that donít stink. Power on tap. Quiet. EVís arenít a little better. They are A LOT better.

Re subsidies. I have no problem with reasonable subsidies in either the petroleum or alternative energy industries. There is a place for government leadership. That is working well for us in B.C. in my opinion And after all Iím a a socialist (but donít hold that against me).

Either way itís fun watching the new tech and as always itís always a pleasure discussing it with you. You bring some good observations to the discussion.

Cheers and stay safe on the road.
radar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2021, 10:19 AM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 710
[Mod Edit] We will never agree. But maybe we can agree on some technical issues.

I think we can agree that there are some great benefits associated with lithium batteries and their automotive applications, but I don't see that electric semis are one of them. Diesel engines on long haul trucks are already a pretty efficient way of moving freight. We can use batteries not to replace them but to make them even more efficient by incorporating hybrid and other electric features. I don't see why we can't eventually make them more efficient than the electric grid with all its transmission and distribution losses. This can be done with, say, a 5 kwh battery instead of a 500 kwh battery.
move on is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2021, 11:02 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,500
Quote:
Originally Posted by move on View Post
[Mod Edit]

I think we can agree that there are some great benefits associated with lithium batteries and their automotive applications, but I don't see that electric semis are one of them. Diesel engines on long haul trucks are already a pretty efficient way of moving freight. We can use batteries not to replace them but to make them even more efficient by incorporating hybrid and other electric features. I don't see why we can't eventually make them more efficient than the electric grid with all its transmission and distribution losses. This can be done with, say, a 5 kwh battery instead of a 500 kwh battery.
Yah that all makes sense although I donít know enough to know what sized battery would be ideal. I think diesel long haul point to point trucking will be dominated by diesel ir as you say diesel hybrid for decades in many parts of the world. However I think EV semis will be economically superior in shorter depot to depot operations in the 200 to 400 kilometre range. As well, certainly city busses and school busses will migrate to electric in tge next ten years. Our little town is already replacing a few school busses every year with straight electric. I followed one the other day. Kinda cool.

OMG . What the hell just happened. A socialist and a capitalist agreeing. That canít be. . There goes the neighbourhood. .

Cheers.
radar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2021, 11:13 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Troutdale, Oregon
Posts: 1,029
I believe the future is in Electromagnetic Induction. Coils of wire will be inbeded in the roadway to create a magnetic field when current passes through it. This will charge your batteries while you drive on the freeway. Same as the garage chargers that lay flat under the car. This will provide endless charging for Big rigs and RV's.
RWeigant is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 3 (0 members and 3 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Modular Class A. Built on Tesla semi. Interesting read. radar Class A Motorhome Discussions 3 10-05-2020 08:32 AM
Tesla Semi Test Mule caught at supercharger. Video. radar Trailer Towing and Tow Vehicles Discussion 12 12-06-2018 10:40 AM
Tesla to unveil household Battery within months CountryFit Going Green 9 05-10-2015 04:16 PM
Tesla T3212 smarty Toy Haulers Discussion 1 11-27-2014 09:05 AM
EverGreen Unveils Full-Sized Tesla Toy Hauler DriVer RV Industry Press 3 06-07-2014 02:03 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.