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Old 03-31-2018, 12:18 PM   #1
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5th Wheel info.

I am trying to gather a bit of information on potential RVs that are Truly 4 season worthy . Any specific models and brands as well as information is welcome.
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Welcome to the forum. I think you need to provide some additional information to help narrow the field. New or used? Budget? Also try searching the forum it's a common question.
Good luck with your quest.
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I have not purchased a 5 er yet just been to a couple large RV shows in Dallas along with dealers in the DFW area. From reading I discovered that several dealers are vague about floor insulation, etc. and find it easy to slap a four season sticker on their trailers. I read an article that claimed the top 5 rvís got cold weather were 1. Artic Fox; 2. Alpine and Donít remember the others listed. I have focused on the Alpine and Avalanche made by Keystone.
Keystone claims the Alpine is tested to -14 and Avalanche to -4 I believe. Others here with real world experience can add a lot as I have been lurking and reading all questions to educate myself.
I donít necessarily plan to full time in extreme cold, but may on occasion and also figure that if RV is well insulated that will also help with cooling in summer heat in Texas, AZ, FL etc.
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I was at LeMesa RV just yesterday. I was looking at trailers and 5th wheels. One of the more impressive 5th wheels that had excellent wood work was the Vilano.

As I understand it, this is an offshoot of Tiffin. The advertise decent insulation.

Me current 5th wheel has a 'All Season Sticker'. It is crap. My 5th wheel is not really insulatted even close to a house. On a cold 35 degree night you need to keep at least one electric heater running full time, running two electric heaters is better. I do not have dual pane windows.
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To the best of my knowledge not a single manufacturer has tested any insulation claim. Take them all with a grain of salt. I'd look at the wall construction, insulation type, slide seals, and slide insulation including the floor.

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If I had to do it all over again I would look for a 5th wheel with dual pane windows. Not only for insulation but they also add quietness.

That and disc brakes. Those two options are probably worth the money.
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True 4 season? How big is your budget? At one time Teton was the one to buy. But since their demise no one has really taken up the slack. I believe new horizons offers 4 season. But unless you have 125K or more to spend you likely will have to lower your sites.
That or move south for the winter.
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Keep talking to people it's the best way to learn. Dealers will say anything to make a sale.
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:52 PM   #10
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Heated/Enclosed Underbelly......so tanks/valves do not freeze
Highest Insulation Value in floors/walls/roof
Attic Vents.......really makes a difference
Dual Pane Windows or sunblocking drapes

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It would be economically impossible to make a structure with 2-3' walls with gasketed openings on both side to be truly livable in sub-zero and desert heat. Think about it...
And for really cold temps, the unit would need to be skirted and heated underneath. I have been in well-built oilfield skid units that are built for arctic conditions, still have ice forming on windows from condensation inside freezing.
Having said the above, our DRV will work well for temps down to 20d or so, but not for extended periods. 2 ACs struggle in Phoenix summer heat. Then you have the water and sewer lines, and dependence on electricity not going out.
Best to plan to stay north in summer and south in winter.
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I would note that on the Alpine and Avalanche their brochures list R value for ceiling, walls and floor. The first brand I looked at, at the RV show salesman said ďitís all seasonĒ, but then stumbled around when asked about type of floor insulation along with R value. Then he went to brochures and then gave up and suggested I call manufacturer. I donít recall the brand, but do recall the all season decal near the door. Iím sceptical of all.
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Forest River "Riverstone" is impressive with 3" walls, R38 ratings on walls, ceiling, floor, and hyd.disc brakes, 17.5" H rated tires. Beautiful fit and finish ... you should check them out.
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[QUOTE=CMelder;4113878]Forest River "Riverstone" is impressive with 3" walls, R38 ratings on walls, ceiling, floor, and dbl.pane windows. Also with hyd.disc brakes, 17.5" H rated tires. Beautiful fit and finish ... you should check them out.
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