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Old 10-16-2021, 12:58 PM   #15
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Both Gen Y and Reese are on their 2nd iteration of design with their goose ball solutions.

I rate the Gen Y higher due to it not using an air bag, but think either one is a better solution for towing than a 5th wheel king pin hitch. YMMV
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Old 10-16-2021, 03:39 PM   #16
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Not sure if something has changed lately. When I got the Alliance 310RL 5th wheel trailer in February I asked Alliance if the Reese Goosebox was O.K. to use. I got the feedback that Lippert does NOT approve the Goosebox anymore and only allows their own Gooseneck connect (which IMO is rather primitive) to maintain warranty.

The other reason I stayed with the 5th wheel was that the low coupling point of a gooseneck hitch would not allow the use of a notched tailgate (AFAIK). While not mission critical, I appreciate the much simpler hitching/unhitching process with the notched tailgate (and the reduced risk of a mangled tailgate).
Call Lippert directly and talk to them. Lippert does still endorse the Reese GB, as they now own Reese. I called prior to installing mine and it was confirmed.
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Old 10-16-2021, 04:38 PM   #17
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X2 on contacting Lippert, about 5 years ago I purchased a used 5th with the RANCH style goose adapter I called Lippert to find out if it was ok to use that style and they told me it was, with a follow up email stating the same. But after talking to others and reading about the ranch style I did switch to the goosebox. So far so good!
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Old 10-21-2021, 06:56 PM   #18
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Here is what he got

Andersen Hitches Ultimate 5th wheel connection..I am still trying to figure out how to put the images in here. This hitch uses a ball mounted in the bed on what looks like a 5th wheel frame. So it works just like a goose neck but is raised a bunch off of the bed floor.
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Old 10-21-2021, 07:10 PM   #19
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Call Lippert directly and talk to them. Lippert does still endorse the Reese GB, as they now own Reese. I called prior to installing mine and it was confirmed.
O.K., I will call Lippert directly.

I did check the Reese corporate ownership that said the brand belongs to "Horizon Global Corporation" (among others like DrawTite, Tekonsha or Westfalia). I did not see that there is or has been a corporate connection to Lippert.
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Ok, here are the images of the Andersen Hitch my son ended up with. Comments? Thank you
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Old 10-21-2021, 07:18 PM   #21
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By the way, the hitch in the bed attaches directly to the roll over ball in the bed and bolts to the original 5th wheel bolts also.
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Old 10-22-2021, 06:40 AM   #22
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O.K., I will call Lippert directly.

I did check the Reese corporate ownership that said the brand belongs to "Horizon Global Corporation" (among others like DrawTite, Tekonsha or Westfalia). I did not see that there is or has been a corporate connection to Lippert.
I may have been a little off base. Lippert is the exclusive supplier of the Reese GB.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...127893378.html

"Lippert Components, Inc., a subsidiary of Drew Industries Incorporated (NYSE: DW) and a leading supplier of components for the RV industry, announced today that it has been designated the exclusive supplier to the RV industry of Cequent Performance Products' innovative new patent pending Reese® "Goose Box™" adaptor for gooseneck hitches. "
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Old 10-22-2021, 07:08 PM   #23
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As it's been pointed out with lippert owning reese they are not going to approve a competitor and their marketing angle is to void the frame warranty.

So how long is the frame under warranty to begin with?
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Old 10-26-2021, 07:26 AM   #24
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As it's been pointed out with lippert owning reese they are not going to approve a competitor and their marketing angle is to void the frame warranty.

So how long is the frame under warranty to begin with?
Actually, Lippert would approve the Gen Y if they would sign an exclusivity agreement, as someone pointed out earlier. Gen Y declined to do that. It's a marketing move for Lippert. I've seen the Gen Y up close and it seems like a pretty robust set up.

The frame warranty is through the manufacturer for whatever term their warranty covers. After that, (per Lippert) warranty claims are on a case by case basis though their warranty documentation says 1 year from the date of a retail purchase.
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Old 10-26-2021, 12:54 PM   #25
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I love the Gen-Y hitch . It was offered as an option from New Horizons when I bought mine . They had no issues with it voiding frame warranty since they build them in house .
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Old 10-27-2021, 12:57 PM   #26
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We used both.
We offer our experience with each **on the same tower-towed combo**.
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Hx:
2003, we converted a 1996 Ford CF8000 commercial truck to our concept of an ExpeditionVehicle.
2010, we converted a commercial chassis to our concept of a toy-hauler.
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For about seven years with this combo, we used the factory-installed 15k fifth-wheel pin on the trailer.
This mated to a 15k fifth-wheel hitch on the rig.
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A couple-three years ago, I fabricated a 26k goose-neck hitch on the trailer... with a compatible 26k ball on the rig.
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Nearly two decades full-time live-aboard in the rig, we are familiar with our rig's handling on and off highway:
* We summer up rough logger tracks to remote mountain lakes.
* We winter on isolated Baja beaches.
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Traveling 52mph on that series of inter-connected pot-holes the Californians call 'freeways', the earlier fifth-wheel combo -- at near-GVWR -- was bouncy and annoyingly wandery.
At 3-5mph across dusty Baja deserts, the fifth-wheel combo was bouncy and occasionally binding.
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After the change, our goose-neck combo is smoother at all speeds.
I planned the conversion to experiment with the alleged 'greater articulation' of goose-necks.
Based on our experience on and off highway, our earlier fifth-wheel combo was stiff, occasionally binding on non-maintained trails.
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One point you might notice...
For our conversion, we fabricated with significantly heavier components, going from 15k to 26k.
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We think off-the-shelf factory RecreationVehicle components are adequate for most users.
For us?
We rely on our equipment to always function as designed in all conditions.
I am my 'mobile-mechanic', I am my 'parts-house'.
I have no problem fussing with stuff, but I prefer out on the kayak dangling a lure.
Accordingly, for our equipment, our minimum goal is 100% reliability.
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In our experience delivering RecreationVehicles manufacturer-to-dealer and dealer-to-shows, that standard is not achieved at the prices consumers are willing to invest.
For week-enders and part-timers, we agree that lighter-duty concept is acceptable.
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Our use is different.
Another thread in today's amalgam discusses broken trailer springs.
Our ExpeditionVehicle GVWR is 29,000#.
Across the scale, we carry 14,000#.
Running at half their ratings, our springs are probably good for the duration.
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Old 10-29-2021, 03:07 PM   #27
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O.K., I will call Lippert directly.

I did check the Reese corporate ownership that said the brand belongs to "Horizon Global Corporation" (among others like DrawTite, Tekonsha or Westfalia). I did not see that there is or has been a corporate connection to Lippert.
So, I did speak with Lippert support and they sent me the attached .pdf.

According to that, the Reese Goosebox is still approved by Lippert but only to replace the 1621 and 1716 model pinboxes.

It is NOT approved to replace the 1621HD pinbox.

It is also NOT approved to be used for the Lippert Space Saver Upper Deck chassis and for that matter I was given the correct information by Alliance who used that type to build my 5th wheel. I does not say why or what may happen if you use it for that, anyway.

By default, other gooseneck adapters (like Gen-Y) are not approved and will void the warranty.

I hope that clears it somewhat up...
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Spoke with GenY. They quoted the Magnuson-Moss Warrantee Act and the fact that to date LCI has not refused warrantee claims, and as a result has not been challenged to prove what is needed under the act.
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