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06-16-2019, 12:20 PM
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F150 5th wheel towing?
We just purchased a 2019 F150XLT, 6.5 ft box with max trailer towing and heavy duty payload package. We are in the process of buying a Starcraft Telluride 5th wheel 296BHS. Is it possible to get underbid rails? Does it need a sliding hitch? What would you recommend?
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06-16-2019, 01:37 PM
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A sliding hitch depends on the trailers front corner profile. Most new gen 5th wheel trailers have a notched/rounded front corners made for short bed trucks.
Under bed rails ?
I'm not a Ford guy but your local Ford dealer or the hitch MFG can help you there.
Before the weight cops shows up and says a 1/2 ton truck can't pull a 5th wheel trailer lets look at which F150 you have.
You say it has the HDPP which is a 7850 gvwr and 4800 rawr. It come with the heaviest chassis of the 3 that Ford offers along for the F150....along with LT tires. New gen F150 HDPP trucks rear axle can weigh in the 2200 lb range when loaded which leaves around 2400-2600 lb in the bed payload before exceeding its 4800 rawr.
Axle/tires/wheels/rear suspension weights are critical so take it to a set of scales and weigh front and rear axle. That way you know exactly what your working with.
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06-16-2019, 02:34 PM
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F150 5th wheel towing?
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Originally Posted by JIMNLIN
A sliding hitch depends on the trailers front corner profile. Most new gen 5th wheel trailers have a notched/rounded front corners made for short bed trucks.
Under bed rails ?
I'm not a Ford guy but your local Ford dealer or the hitch MFG can help you there.
Before the weight cops shows up and says a 1/2 ton truck can't pull a 5th wheel trailer lets look at which F150 you have.
You say it has the HDPP which is a 7850 gvwr and 4800 rawr. It come with the heaviest chassis of the 3 that Ford offers along for the F150....along with LT tires. New gen F150 HDPP trucks rear axle can weigh in the 2200 lb range when loaded which leaves around 2400-2600 lb in the bed payload before exceeding its 4800 rawr.
Axle/tires/wheels/rear suspension weights are critical so take it to a set of scales and weigh front and rear axle. That way you know exactly what your working with.
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The king pin wt. is usually about 20% so it sounds as if you’re good. Just try to keep the extra gear towards the rear. There is a phone app for CAT scales around the country. They are usually at Flying J or Loves truck stops. They weigh front, rear and trailer axles for about $12.00. Just pull on, hit the red button and tell the attendant you want to weigh your truck and trailer. Very simple.
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06-16-2019, 03:19 PM
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Simply put, a slider with modern trailers is a convenience not a necessity (those who have made contact with the cab will disagree). An auto slider offers the most convenience, but has its drawbacks, a manual slider is much cheaper but only works if you take the time to move it. Not all cab contact is done while backing. There are thousands of short beds out there without sliders who have had no problems, however it just takes 1 inattentive moment to have a bad day. I suggest you do a search on sliders before you make up your mind. Lots of discussions on the subject.
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06-16-2019, 05:16 PM
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hmm
As an engineer for over 45 years it bothers me when some one ask a question like this with no numbers. Can you give us the numbers on the sticker in the driver door frame?
Taking numbers from online or catalogs is risky at best and your weights are never as good as listed in a catalog.
I just got back home from a Grand Design owners jamboree where I had my F250 and Reflection 230rl weighed. Your 5th is about 800 lbs more than mine and with 1000 lbs of stuff in the trailer and my wife and I in the truck (with more stuff) we had 400 lbs to spare for payload. My sticker said 2500 payload and thats good for a 3/4 ton diesel. My pin weight was 1500 lbs with 4600 lbs on the rear axle rated at 6340 lbs.
My GUESS would be once your on the road with everything you need and want you will be over your max payload but a bit less than your rear axle rating.
Good luck
PS as a side note on the way home I stopped at a closed public scale and the numbers were 3% lower.
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06-16-2019, 07:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Varago
As an engineer for over 45 years it bothers me when some one ask a question like this with no numbers. Can you give us the numbers on the sticker in the driver door frame?
Taking numbers from online or catalogs is risky at best and your weights are never as good as listed in a catalog.
I just got back home from a Grand Design owners jamboree where I had my F250 and Reflection 230rl weighed. Your 5th is about 800 lbs more than mine and with 1000 lbs of stuff in the trailer and my wife and I in the truck (with more stuff) we had 400 lbs to spare for payload. My sticker said 2500 payload and thats good for a 3/4 ton diesel. My pin weight was 1500 lbs with 4600 lbs on the rear axle rated at 6340 lbs.
My GUESS would be once your on the road with everything you need and want you will be over your max payload but a bit less than your rear axle rating.
Good luck
PS as a side note on the way home I stopped at a closed public scale and the numbers were 3% lower.
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The op asked about accessories for their truck, not their weights.
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06-17-2019, 03:30 AM
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You will have to have under the bed rails to mount a 5th wheel hitch. They are an additional kit for various options, like complete removal from the bed. Less expensive options have rails mounted in the bed to frame supports.
When I was shopping for my hitch, a shop told me that the gooseneck was safer because it was bolted to the frame, and that the 5th wheel was not. They didn't get any business from me except for my floor mats, which I installed.
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06-17-2019, 05:05 PM
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Under bed Rails? I wonder if these are the plates that bolt to the truck frame in order for you to bolt the bed rails in the pick up truck box? I moved up from an F-150 to an F-350 because the weights were on the hairy edge and God forbid anything happened, The insurance company may deny a claim....Just saying.
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06-17-2019, 08:59 PM
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I'm not weight police but the F150 in any configuration will have limited 5W towing ability, your door frame will tell you max for your truck Yes there are under bed rails available to use puck mounted 5W hitch. The Ford salesman will tell you you can tow a 53Ft semi trailer to make the sale. I have bought multi 5W's and every time the 5W dealer asked what I would be towing with before even showing me any of them. Hopefully you get a good RV dealer who will not sell you more than what you can legally tow.
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06-17-2019, 11:42 PM
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Never will understand why folks go out and drop astronomical amounts of money on a Ford F150 with all the bells and whistles to try and bring it up to a 3/4 ton truck level when they could have spent less money and just went ahead and bought a 3/4 ton diesel truck.
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06-18-2019, 01:55 AM
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After doing some research, underbed rails would be the puck system. This is only available from ford for the superduty trucks. Etrailer does sell a kit for the f150s but it is not made by ford.
As far as the slider part, i would probably just spend the money on the slider and be done with it. The cost difference could easily be negated by your insurance deductable when you do tag the cab. I haul goosenecks alot and i dont like doing a 90 plus degree turn but when i need to be able to, i better be able to.
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06-18-2019, 05:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropthejacks
Never will understand why folks go out and drop astronomical amounts of money on a Ford F150 with all the bells and whistles to try and bring it up to a 3/4 ton truck level when they could have spent less money and just went ahead and bought a 3/4 ton diesel truck.
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Honestly, a 3/4 ton diesel is going to have close to the same payload as the F150 with the HD payload package in this example. What I don't understand is all the people with 3/4 ton trucks that should have bought a 1 ton truck.
Dave
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06-18-2019, 06:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkegel
Honestly, a 3/4 ton diesel is going to have close to the same payload as the F150 with the HD payload package in this example. What I don't understand is all the people with 3/4 ton trucks that should have bought a 1 ton truck.
Dave
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Totally agree. When we made the decision to move from a travel trailer to a fiver last fall I never even considered the 250/2500 class. I traded our F-150 Platinum 3.5 Ecoboost SC 4x4 SB with Max Towing for a new F-350 diesel.
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06-18-2019, 11:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grafton Guns
Under bed Rails? I wonder if these are the plates that bolt to the truck frame in order for you to bolt the bed rails in the pick up truck box? I moved up from an F-150 to an F-350 because the weights were on the hairy edge and God forbid anything happened, The insurance company may deny a claim....Just saying.
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Yes. Some companies use 4 separate mounting points. Others use a system that mounts in 4 places on the frame, but attach to one 'rail' per side.
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