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Old 08-10-2020, 06:24 PM   #1
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F150 & Grand Design combo

We are planning to downsize to a 5th wheel that we can tow with our F150 (3.5 Ecoboost, Max tow pkg, air bags) that has a max payload rating of 2,170 and tow capability of 12,200. We really like the Grand Design 295RL and also 260RD. The wife prefers the 295RL. Both have hitch weights under 1,400 and GVWR under 10k. Any thoughts on this combo?
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This is probably the first of many posts telling you that is not enough truck. A good friend and frequent traveling/camping couple has that trailer and he pulls it with a Chevy K2500, no way would he pull it with anything less. My Durango 1500 has an advertised hitch/pin weight of 1467, but scales at 1895 ready to go camping. Not saying that truck won't pull it but are you only going to stay on back roads in flat country? I'm sure there are other GD owners can give you a better idea of what that camper will really weigh.
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Old 08-10-2020, 06:39 PM   #3
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Probably ok, loaded pin weight will be closer to 2k than you think.
Just get it weighed, and see how much is on your rear tire ratings.
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Old 08-11-2020, 06:36 AM   #4
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Brochure weights are low to begin with. You'll have more than 1400 lbs for pin when loaded. Probably close to 1800 lbs by the time you add batteries propane, and stuff in front of the axles. Don't forget your 5th hitch weight. Not sure what you two weigh but lets just say 170 and 120. Thats 290 lbs.
Now you're hypothetically at 2090 lbs. You're basically maxed out.

Have you tried posting over at the Grand Design Owners Forum? Lots of GD 150 owners there that could give you some real world numbers.
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I forget the model, but we didn’t opt for a GD 5er because the trifold sofa on that model was made for kids .
You need to double check the specs. According to the GD website, the GVWR on the 295RL is almost 11,000 lbs.
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:27 AM   #7
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1400# Pin Weight is DRY Pin based on DRY weight of 5vr
10,000# GVWR....WET PIN closer to 2000/2200#


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5th wheel pin weights run between 20 to 25% of trailer weight so a 10,000 pound trailer can have a pin weight of 2500 pounds, plus the hitch itself, passengers and anything else you carry in the truck and you will need a minimum of 2800 pounds of payload, and at that you would be at 100% capacity.

You can tow a large travel trailer with your truck but it was not meant for a 5th wheel, no matter what the dealer says.
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Please consider a least something with a V-10 for TV

Neverhome, sure was nice to follow a thread where folks did not try an overload your scenes with TMI.
My experience with 150 5th wheel towing was just ok, even with Tow Haul set up that V-8 gasser and suspension will be at its braking point each time you move it. Make no mistake that 150 will do the job for you, however, given where you live I would highly discourage the use of the 150.
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We are planning to downsize to a 5th wheel that we can tow with our F150 (3.5 Ecoboost, Max tow pkg, air bags) that has a max payload rating of 2,170 and tow capability of 12,200. We really like the Grand Design 295RL and also 260RD. The wife prefers the 295RL. Both have hitch weights under 1,400 and GVWR under 10k. Any thoughts on this combo?
You state a "Max Payload Rating" of 2170. That is NOT necessarily the payload of YOUR truck. Check the payload sticker on the driver side door post and see what the payload is for your truck....from that sticker. Tow capacity is a totally worthless number when it comes to fifth wheel camping trailers. You will run out of Payload LONG before you get close to the towing capacity, and that holds true even on 3/4T trucks, 1T trucks, etc. The 295RL has a GVWR of 10,995...so lets say 11K and round it off. If that trailer is loaded to the GVWR or close to it, you can expect to 20% to maybe 23% of the weight being put on your truck as pin weight. Even using the low number of 20%, you are looking at 2200 lbs. Then you also have to add the weight of the hitch, passengers, and anything and everything that goes in/on the truck.....extra fuel, firewood, toolbox with tools, etc. It's pretty easy for me to imagine totals in the 3000 lb weight range being put on the truck.

Even the advertised "empty weight" of the trailer is wrong. That number is before propane in the tanks and a battery from the dealer. Grand Design lists 8794....which likely, in the real world with the trailer ready for sale on a dealer's lot would be closer to 8950 lbs. Using that weight number would still produce at least close to 1800 lbs of pin weight....maybe a bit less because it is an empty trailer. And of course, no one goes camping with an empty trailer, so you simply DO NOT have near enough truck for that trailer.
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Thanks for all the input.

Our truck has enough "stuff" to pull the trailer with the 12k tow capability but the issue would be payload.

Lots of great food for thought but it would be really nice to know ACTUAL weights. For example, how far off was your actual hitch weight from the Grand Design literature (not looking at another manufacture). This would give us a better idea of what we are looking at.
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Thanks for all the input.

Our truck has enough "stuff" to pull the trailer with the 12k tow capability but the issue would be payload.

Lots of great food for thought but it would be really nice to know ACTUAL weights. For example, how far off was your actual hitch weight from the Grand Design literature (not looking at another manufacture). This would give us a better idea of what we are looking at.
Larry.....I can only speak about Grand Design and what their published pin weights are. Published pin weight from G.D. reflect an "average" for that particular model of trailer. Obviously if you buy one with "options" added, the empty pin weight will be higher than the published number. Also, that published pin weight does NOT reflect the added weight caused by the dealer prep in getting the trailer ready to be sold. This involves filling the propane tank or tanks and adding a battery or batteries. So the bottom line is that the published "Empty Weight" will ALWAYS be lower than the actual weight of the empty trailer when you buy it.

Many folks, including myself will follow a "worst case scenario" calculation method for trying to figure out if a truck will safely tow a trailer. Always use the GVWR of the trailer when doing you calculations. Why, you might ask. When you use the GVWR of the trailer to do the calculations, you know that the trailer should NEVER weigh more than that.....so that is the worst case scenario. If the truck passes the test using the WCS numbers, you will never have to worry about loading the trailer too heavy (as long as you don't exceed the GVWR of the trailer), and then the resulting overload on the truck. Many folks also don't realize all the "Other" weights that contribute to the load on the truck. Examples are all the stuff that goes in/on the truck, in addition to the pin weight of the trailer. Obviously the 5ver hitch weight and then it becomes what you choose to take along....and no one knows the answer to that except YOU. Passenger(s), firewood, extra fuel, generator, truckbed toolbox loaded with tools, bicycles, a grill, .....anything and everything counts against the available payload of the truck.
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Thanks for all the input.

Our truck has enough "stuff" to pull the trailer with the 12k tow capability but the issue would be payload.

Lots of great food for thought but it would be really nice to know ACTUAL weights. For example, how far off was your actual hitch weight from the Grand Design literature (not looking at another manufacture). This would give us a better idea of what we are looking at.

So everyone tells you straight out that you aren’t even close to having enough truck, but you’re still fishing for that one random internet stranger to tell you you’re safe?

Post up your yellow door sticker from your truck. We’ll explain in brutal honesty why you’re risking innocent families lives attempting to overload your F150.
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He is right . I have a friend that had the 1/2ton GD & 150 with tow pkg/ecoboost and the two times I rode with him I was SCARED. He just bought a 250 .
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