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Old 03-23-2018, 07:11 PM   #1
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F350 SD CC 4x4 srw

Has anyone had any issues pulling a Arctic Silver Fox 29-5T with a Ford350 SD CC 4x4 SRW? GVWR and GCVW good just concerned about payload. We want to install a 75 gal fuel tank in bed and do not want to purchase a dually. We know we are tight.
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Old 03-23-2018, 08:03 PM   #2
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Has anyone had any issues pulling a Arctic Silver Fox 29-5T with a Ford350 SD CC 4x4 SRW? GVWR and GCVW good just concerned about payload. We want to install a 75 gal fuel tank in bed and do not want to purchase a dually. We know we are tight.
Thanks!
Our truck is F350 4x4 CC SRW
Our trailer is 15,000lb GVWR.

With the trailer around 13,500GVW (no water) and 1,000 -1,200lbs in the truck we max out the F350 CVWR.

Our F350 has ABS, trailer doesn't. A couple of times I've had to hit the brakes hard....1 or 2 trailer (drum) brakes (controller is set at 7) lock up, tires slide....the ABS in the truck starts going full tilt. At that point there is nothing to do but hang on for the ride.

We are looking for a F550 XLT CC 4x4
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Old 03-24-2018, 07:08 AM   #3
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You said it right on. I complement you on going for the f550 instead of stopping at the f450. I have heard that the GVWR number is a guide link and not to get within 10% of the number. Is the GVWR number rated for going down a mountain pass, the hills of Tennessee or the flat roads of Kansas. 60 MPH or 75 MPH. They don't want to tell you that. All I am saying is use common sense and don't take the GVWR number as the exact number.
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Old 03-24-2018, 08:56 AM   #4
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I have heard that the GVWR number is a guide link and not to get within 10% of the number. Is the GVWR number rated for going down a mountain pass, the hills of Tennessee or the flat roads of Kansas. 60 MPH or 75 MPH. They don't want to tell you that. All I am saying is use common sense and don't take the GVWR number as the exact number.
Please stop spreading this nonsense. It's an old scared man's tale and has no place here. The trucks and trailers are rated to tow at max GCWR, GVWR, and GAWR. And they do. Just fine. Up and down the tallest passes in the country. Ive done it. There are legions of engineers in the auto industry that design and test this stuff to perform and your just insulting them.

The the OP: my gut reaction is no, you don't have the available capacity for such a big tank, and that's what you get for sticking with a SRW.

While the dry tongue weight of that trailer is quite low considering it's size, with it's large CCC and 15,700 GVWR rating, your going to be at over 3k lbs on the bed, when loaded. It tells me (without seeing it) it has a large inviting basement and big tanks.

Depending on how you've optioned your truck, your going to be close on rated payload as it is. Remember the fancy platinum trucks have less payload then a XL.

Really you'll be over the truck GVWR anyway, so let's talk RAWR. A 2003-2016 F-350 has a 7000lb axle, a
2017 has a 7200b axle. You didn't tell us which.

We have a very similar setup to you, and last CAT scale I was at 6800lbs RAW on my 17. So I had 400lbs to spare, but that's still not enough for your desired 75 gallon tank. I'm guessing 50lbs for the tank and 450lbs for the fuel. 500lbs total.

In the end - its going to depend on how you load the trailer, what hitch you have, and if you intend to have rear passengers. You need to load it all up, just like your going camping, this includes passengers and cargo, and go to a CAT scale and look at it. The scale will tell you what you can do.

Again my guess is no.
Now all is not lost We are considering a Titan midship, which adds about 21 gallons, mostly under the driver (and on the front axle), to help alleviate our small tank. We had one on the last truck and it made a huge difference. Doesn't take any bed room either.
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Just an FYI. We recently looked at 2 new NW AF's. The 29-5T and 5K. NW puts the factory delivered weight stickers either on the door or in a cupboard close to the door.
The brochure pin weight for the 5T is around 2023. The one at the RV show was 2500+ lbs.
The 5K brochure is 2663 lbs and the show one was a tad over 3000 lbs.
Point being The F350 would be over the CCC.
75 gals of fuel is 525 lbs not including the weight of the tank. Throw in the 5th hitch and gear and passengers and you're over the CCC of the truck and probably close to the RAWR as well. DRW IMO.
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Just an FYI. We recently looked at 2 new NW AF's. The 29-5T and 5K. NW puts the factory delivered weight stickers either on the door or in a cupboard close to the door.
The brochure pin weight for the 5T is around 2023. The one at the RV show was 2500+ lbs.
The 5K brochure is 2663 lbs and the show one was a tad over 3000 lbs.
Point being The F350 would be over the CCC.
75 gals of fuel is 525 lbs not including the weight of the tank. Throw in the 5th hitch and gear and passengers and you're over the CCC of the truck and probably close to the RAWR as well. DRW IMO.
Thanks for posting this.

When I saw the 29-5T "brochure weight" at 10,900lb GWV and 2,000lb pin I said to myself that doesn't seem right.

If a new buyer doen't know how to read the numbers they'll think it is a 15,700GVWR trailer with a 2023lb pin.
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I was commenting on the post above about his experience of emergency stopping which was not good. We hear this way too often about the truck will pull but not stop. It was not constructive about saying "old mans tall". It is more like old mans experience that equals common sense.
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Old 03-25-2018, 07:55 AM   #8
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Has anyone had any issues pulling a Arctic Silver Fox 29-5T with a Ford350 SD CC 4x4 SRW? GVWR and GCVW good just concerned about payload. We want to install a 75 gal fuel tank in bed and do not want to purchase a dually. We know we are tight.
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Looks like you are within the limits of your truck. My XLT has a payload of 3400 and the loaded pin of that AF shouldn't be more that 2800 lbs, but the big fuel tank puts you at or over your limits.
This is my plan. https://www.ruralking.com/25-gal-pol...sfer-unit.html
Or go with the Titan replacement tank instead of the in-bed tank.
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Thanks for posting this.

When I saw the 29-5T "brochure weight" at 10,900lb GWV and 2,000lb pin I said to myself that doesn't seem right.

If a new buyer doen't know how to read the numbers they'll think it is a 15,700GVWR trailer with a 2023lb pin.
Head over here https://www.nroa2003.com/forum/index...testring=forum and ask around too. Many over there have the 5T.
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