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Old 10-22-2021, 08:05 AM   #1
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What do you tow your Grand Design with? I am looking to buy a Solitude model 310 GK. I checked out the numbers on payload (#4508), of a new GMC 2500 diesel truck, and I figure I would have plenty of payload left over after subtracting the Solitude hitch weight of 2350, and loading up the crew cab with passengers and luggage.
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That is going to be round 3,000 pin weight when loaded to GVWR of 15,000. I doubt you will get an actual 4508 useful load on the 2500 unless it is totally stripped. More like 3,500. That being said, the 2500 might be on the edge, but it will handle it. Here is a test of the 2020 2500 Vs. Dodge dually 3500 on the Ike Gauntlet towing 16,000. If you already have the 2500 use it, but if you have to buy new anyway, why not just get a 3500 SRW?https://tfltruck.com/2019/06/does-th...untlet-review/
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What do you tow your Grand Design with? I am looking to buy a Solitude model 310 GK. I checked out the numbers on payload (#4508), of a new GMC 2500 diesel truck, and I figure I would have plenty of payload left over after subtracting the Solitude hitch weight of 2350, and loading up the crew cab with passengers and luggage.

Well some numbers from your 5er.
UVW 12,100 lbs
Hitch Weight 2,350 lbs
GVW 15,000 lbs
Payload 2,900 lbs

Wet hitch 23% 3,450 lbs


Is that payload number from a brochure or from the Yellow Payload sticker on your current truck? If from brochure, best walk the GM dealers lot and look at some Yellow stickers to get some real payload numbers.
What do you usually carry in your truck, that all come off the payload.

Your numbers will be close by the time you load the truck and load the 5er, you might consider a DRW 3500.
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Youíre only getting that payload number from a stripped down regular cab on a 2500. That trailer is planted firmly in SRW 1-ton country.
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First thing is forgetting the brochure dry weights. Look at the trailer GVWR and use 20% of that got the loaded pin weight. So, you have 15,000 lb. x 0.20 = 3,000 lb for an estimated loaded pin weight.

Work from these numbers. I would go ahead and get an F350 SW truck.

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If you go to the GMC tow chart you'll see that the 2500 has a much higher GVWR than Fords and Rams. Most payload ratings are in the mid 3000 lb range with GVWR's in the 11,000+ range.
Still a 3500 lb payload will get eaten up pretty fast with the Hensley Air hitch and a couple people.
People 300, hitch 200 lbs? 500 lbs total. Plus the added weoght of the factory puck system 100 lbs=600 lbs of the payload. Leaves you in the 2900+/- range.
Not enough IMO for a GD Solitude.
For not much more you could easily get a 1 ton and have spare payload.

https://www.gmc.com/content/dam/gmc/...de_DIGITAL.pdf

You need to read the fine print in the footnotes as certain specs pertain to certain trims. In the end those brochure weights will be less as you go up in trim levels. Even adding running boards adds to the total subtracted from the payload.
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What do you tow your Grand Design with? I am looking to buy a Solitude model 310 GK. I checked out the numbers on payload (#4508), of a new GMC 2500 diesel truck, and I figure I would have plenty of payload left over after subtracting the Solitude hitch weight of 2350, and loading up the crew cab with passengers and luggage.
Just an FYI, if you are looking at that GMC 2500 is for cost of registration, to get that payload it is likely got the 11,500# GVWR, which makes it a class 3 (AKA One Ton) GVWR over 10,000# and you will pay and be regulated by class 3 rules and laws in your state or city.
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Just an FYI, if you are looking at that GMC 2500 is for cost of registration, to get that payload it is likely got the 11,500# GVWR, which makes it a class 3 (AKA One Ton) GVWR over 10,000# and you will pay and be regulated by class 3 rules and laws in your state or city.

In many places the purchase price for the 350/3500 is lower Thant he 250/2500.
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I would suggest a minimum of a one ton SRW. My Ď18 F-350 CC SB Lariat SRW diesel 4x4 has a cargo capacity of 3,608 on the door sticker, but a gasser (yuck) non-4x4 would have a higher cargo capacity, but work very hard in the mountains. Our Montana, trip ready has CAT scaled a few time at around 14,200 (itís GVWR is 16,300). Our B&W Companion Slider (great hitch) weighs 275 lbs. I would have, should have bought a dually because we are very borderline on the weights; however, itís a sweet handling rig.
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Your points are well taken! I got the weight numbers from the GM and Chevy website (2022 models). I will check out the stickers the next time I am on a lot looking, which should be early next week.

A one ton sounds like a good idea. I have driven lots of trucks, buses, and large Diesel pushers, but I have never owned a pickup truck.

How does a one ton ride, compared to a 3/4? I would like a nice ride for some long distance driving, and around town. If I am paying that much for a new truck, I would like some comfort to go along with it. I am not expecting a Cadillac or Lexus ride, but something nice and quiet inside would be good!
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Your points are well taken! I got the weight numbers from the GM and Chevy website (2022 models). I will check out the stickers the next time I am on a lot looking, which should be early next week.

A one ton sounds like a good idea. I have driven lots of trucks, buses, and large Diesel pushers, but I have never owned a pickup truck.

How does a one ton ride, compared to a 3/4? I would like a nice ride for some long distance driving, and around town. If I am paying that much for a new truck, I would like some comfort to go along with it. I am not expecting a Cadillac or Lexus ride, but something nice and quiet inside would be good!

All the new HD trucks are quiet inside, and comfort really depends on trim levels. Theyíre not going to have the ride of a car.
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Your points are well taken! I got the weight numbers from the GM and Chevy website (2022 models). I will check out the stickers the next time I am on a lot looking, which should be early next week.

A one ton sounds like a good idea. I have driven lots of trucks, buses, and large Diesel pushers, but I have never owned a pickup truck.

How does a one ton ride, compared to a 3/4? I would like a nice ride for some long distance driving, and around town. If I am paying that much for a new truck, I would like some comfort to go along with it. I am not expecting a Cadillac or Lexus ride, but something nice and quiet inside would be good!
My (now older) one ton rides pretty nicely. Unladen it rides on the normal leaf springs like a 3/4 ton truck. With the 5th wheel the helper spring comes into play, so it is quite progressive and not dumptruck rough like some older one tons or other brands. The long 168" wheelbase makes bumps and dips less apparent most of the time. Independant front suspension (IFS) makes GM better handling in my opinion.

I would imagine they have only improved the ride in the past few years.
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I have a 377mbs & pulled it on a dodge ram 3500 HD short box, empty it was ok but fully loaded it was on the edge, power no problem but stability and stopping questionable at times. I researched all the trucks before opting for a Ford F350 DRW, I chose the DRW because of other trailers I pull way heavier than the 377. The Ford in a SRW was the only SRW truck with the GVW to actually handle the weight of my unit. Had this been the only trailer I was pulling I would have gone with the SRW without hesitation. The Ford handles the unit way better, more power, more refinement, more stability, better braking and engine brake just an all around better truck.

I had an 01 Chevy Duramax and loved that truck, I also ride in a friends 3500 SRW 2021 and it is an awesome truck, would not have another Ram too many electrical issues and updates which turn into downgrades.
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I would suggest a minimum of a one ton SRW. My Ď18 F-350 CC SB Lariat SRW diesel 4x4 has a cargo capacity of 3,608 on the door sticker, but a gasser (yuck) non-4x4 would have a higher cargo capacity, but work very hard in the mountains. Our Montana, trip ready has CAT scaled a few time at around 14,200 (itís GVWR is 16,300). Our B&W Companion Slider (great hitch) weighs 275 lbs. I would have, should have bought a dually because we are very borderline on the weights; however, itís a sweet handling rig.
We have a similar situation as you. Our North Point GVWR is 15250, we have the same hitch and truck, but my payload is only 3301 (probably because I have the panoramic roof). So we are actually about 600 lbs overweight (good on axle weights though) on the scales.

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