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Katheryn58 · 11-14-2018, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by manwithnorv

Thanks, but I don't believe I will ever use the dealer for anything in the future. Vanleigh has already told me that I can take the RV to any RV Service shop I want to for warranty service work. They are aware they don't have a dealership here in Virginia (until the McGeorge Camping World) this past week. But they said I never have to use them if I don't want to.

Good for you! Vanleigh has a good rep so I hope you have many years of enjoyment.

RoadEyePie · 11-14-2018, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by baranski37

As to manwithnorv, you are headed in the right direction. In my case the dealer would only accept a wire transfer for final payment as I was paying cash. I paid $3000 as non refundable deposit with debit card (total purchase ~$68K. ) Due to the time it takes to process a wire you may have to submit it before you take possession, but if an authorized person from dealership has signed the agreement you have legal recourse. Your agreement should indicate the things you mentioned as a precondition to having a valid enforceable contract. I have to advise that based on the limited facts presented this should not be deemed “legal advice” and you should always consult with an attorney licensed in the state where contract is executed.
I would suggest having an attorney review as it would probably cost less than $500 and based on amount you are spending well worth the added piece of mind.
Regards Ron

If authorized person ...signed the agreement? Are you referring to the "agreement" as the text that I drafted or the agreement the dealer will undoubtedly have me sign of theirs?

How do I get an attorney review in advance? Will I be able to get a copy of the "contract" documents in advanced to have it reviewed or are you suggesting having an attorney attend the dealership with me on signing day? That seems either unlikely or more $$$ than $500.

RoadEyePie · 11-14-2018, 04:13 PM

Question: I need to understand what's generally included in the sale price / contract. For example, would I be expected to pay an additional fee for the PDI? What if the King pin or hitch has to be adjusted when we hook up the RV to the truck. Should I expect the dealer to do this as a part of the sale price? Are there any other services that I might expect to have to pay for?

baranski37 · 11-14-2018, 04:36 PM

“Authorized person” refers to a person that has the power to legally bind a corporation or LLC. Typically I just have someone sign above typed language saying that by signing they represent that they have authority to bind the company. $500-$600 should cover 1-2 hours of billable time. This would be a reasonable attorney rate to review the dealerships contract, insert some language to protect you and make a couple calls back and forth with dealership. The price would be up to you. The attorney would protect you from gotcha’s, but no she/he would not attend meeting at dealership for this amount. It is not required I have just found that it does not cost what people think to have an attorney review the contract used by dealership and properly advise you. You should be able to get a copy of the agreement days or weeks in advance of signing an agreement. Go to AVVO.com and search for consumer or contract attorney in area where contract will be signed. Again not required just good insurance if something goes wrong. If all goes right it’s unnecessary so your call.

RoadEyePie · 11-14-2018, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baranski37

“Authorized person” refers to a person that has the power to legally bind a corporation or LLC. Typically I just have someone sign above typed language saying that by signing they represent that they have authority to bind the company. $500-$600 should cover 1-2 hours of billable time. This would be a reasonable attorney rate to review the dealerships contract, insert some language to protect you and make a couple calls back and forth with dealership. The price would be up to you. The attorney would protect you from gotcha’s, but no she/he would not attend meeting at dealership for this amount. It is not required I have just found that it does not cost what people think to have an attorney review the contract used by dealership and properly advise you. You should be able to get a copy of the agreement days or weeks in advance of signing an agreement. Go to AVVO.com and search for consumer or contract attorney in area where contract will be signed. Again not required just good insurance if something goes wrong. If all goes right it’s unnecessary so your call.

I was asking about the "Agreement". Were you referring to the text that I drafted as the agreement...that I need to have an authorized rep sign that?

baranski37 · 11-14-2018, 05:08 PM

The text you prepared could be incorporated in agreement. By agreement I mean the document agreed to between you and dealership. You could do yourself or provide the list and have an attorney incorporate language in the agreement that basically says final acceptance of agreement is subject to the preconditions as shown on attached exhibit “A” as example.
Regards Ron

RoadEyePie · 11-14-2018, 08:30 PM

Ok here's what I modified and sent to a few dealers to get their reaction.

Sale person's name and a general statement precedes the following.

Here's the agreement that I would require. Let me know if this is something you could work with.

I will need copies of all contractual agreements and documents that will be presented and signed at the "closing" a minimum of two weeks in advance to review with an attorney. Final acceptance of any agreement shall be subject to the preconditions listed below which shall be attached to the agreement as exhibit "A". (The wording of this exhibit is subject to change upon review by my council.)

Exhibit “A” - preconditions
“We agree on a final total and complete price for the RV including any and all options ordered in addition to standard items. The price would be inclusive of all taxes, tags, titles, document fees, etc. All costs must be individually itemized. The final price is the amount I present payment to you in exchange for clear ownership of the RV. No plans, extentions, add-ons, etc. I do not finance through the dealership.

I would be required to make a non-refundable deposit not to exceed $3,000 in order for you to place the order with Vanleigh for the RV with all options (standard or additional) clearly specified. The dealership will acknowledge the receipt of and the amount of the deposit in writing, which would secure my order and be applied to the final sale price of the RV.

When the RV arrives at your dealership, everything is tested and checked to ensure there are NO problems before I arrive. I am presented with your check list of all checks and tests. Upon my arrival, a dealer representative goes over the check list and all operations of the RV to my satisfaction. I have the right to have a private independent RV service company perform a PDI at my expense, should I choose to do so.

All problems discovered during the PDI will be resolved by the dealership under warranty before I make payment or take possession of the RV. This includes all operational items, electrical, plumbing, hydraulic, gas or other systems including roof, slides, and awnings. It also includes all appliances, all furniture, walls, doors, window, etc. The dealership shall make all warranty repairs in a timely manner, not to exceed 10 weeks unless agreed to by both parties in writing.

This agreement is to be signed by the sales manager and by myself and the fullfilment of its terms is a precondition to us having a valid enforceable contract. If everything above is found to be in working order to my satisfaction, I will submit 100% of the balance due and take possession of the RV.

Dealership will provide a full hookup site, preferably on your lot for my wife and I to stay in the RV for up to 2 nights to completely and thoroughly ensure that we are comfortable with the operation of all systems and to further ensure everything is in full working order. Should we find any problems the dealership will schedule for timely resolution under warranty.”

If you can agree to this, then we may proceed to the next step.

mrgrayaz · 11-14-2018, 09:58 PM

I have nothing useful to add. but you may need "formerly manwithnorv" in your signature, I was like who is this roadeyepie dude...

Katheryn58 · 11-15-2018, 05:14 AM

It’s not their service I was referring to. It is their sales department. Tons of stuff out there about their last minute add ons and deceptive sales tactics. Lazy Days in Florida sells Vanleigh and has a highly reputable sales staff. Take previous advice to stick around a few days and create a punch list. You will find some things on even the best new units. A few days in Florida this time of year would be pretty nice. Enjoy!

RoadEyePie · 11-15-2018, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mrgrayaz

I have nothing useful to add. but you may need "formerly manwithnorv" in your signature, I was like who is this roadeyepie dude...

Oh yes. It changed yesterday. The beauty of the youthful human form has been referred to as Eye Candy. I think of my new truck and RV going down the road as Eye Pie.

Arkie_ENT · 11-18-2018, 05:39 PM

This guy (supposedly) buying an RV is like trying to book a trip to the Mars and land on an exact date at precise time and then coordinate that landing with an exact coordinate.

This CANNOT be real. Hello college class term project. How could any self-respecting dealer put up with this guy (if this is even real). In my business, 1 Million + annually I learned a LONG time ago that you don't need every sale.

Can you even imagine the garbage the dealer, manufacturer and the IRV community will be in for post purchase??? I'm not surprised, this thread has a different poster name, it certainly can't be to protect the innocent!

Gshelton777 · 11-18-2018, 06:04 PM

If you are purchasing a Motorhome, don't buy until you've checked out MHSRV.com. There's deals are hard to beat. Or at least, wait until the January RV shows start in your area. You're likely to get a better deal at the show.
One more thing, is it possible for you to register your new RV in state other than Virginia? My understanding is Virginia will take your first born for Property taxes.

BCam · 11-18-2018, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jacknife

Some state will make you pay the additional sales tax when registering the trailer. You might look into Montana and their setup for trailers

Check this out:

https://www.avalara.com/us/en/blog/2...wednesday.html

tbos1958 · 11-18-2018, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gshelton777

If you are purchasing a Motorhome, don't buy until you've checked out MHSRV.com. There's deals are hard to beat. Or at least, wait until the January RV shows start in your area. You're likely to get a better deal at the show.

One more thing, is it possible for you to register your new RV in state other than Virginia? My understanding is Virginia will take your first born for Property taxes.

Bought my rig in VA and registered it in MD where I live. We paid sales taxes of 6% to MD. I understand Prince William County doesn’t ask for Personal Property Taxes on RVs stored in that County.