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04-30-2013, 09:27 AM
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The lot across the street is to small to build on as it is less then a 1/8 acre and has 2 rightaways through it. You couldn't put a dog house on it. Got it so cheap the land transfer fee was more then the land.
He now has a lot of problems as the house he is building is not finished and the inspector was there all afternoon. It did not pay to yell and cuss out the inspector and his supervisor. This will cost him in the long run. I think they pulled his building permit until he fixes what they said is wrong.
He did come down and cuss me out last night as I was having drinks with some neighbors on of witch it a cop. He is not going to fit in here.
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04-30-2013, 09:43 AM
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I'm making some popcorn, as I WILL be watching this drama play out!
More fun........
Pop
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04-30-2013, 10:01 AM
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Sounds like your new "neighbor" is about to learn an expensive lesson about messing with us good ole boys! I can't imagine what it's gonna cost him to finish that house, but it'll probably be the best built house in the county!!
Rusty
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04-30-2013, 11:44 AM
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Tug, I hope this works out for you. We had problems with a neighbor when we were building (pulled out survey stakes because he knew they were wrong). After it cost me $1200 for a resurvey, the deputy I called stopped by and explained to him that it is against the law to remove markers set by a licensed surveyor. I guess he decided I was an OK guy when the deputy told him I could have gotten him locked up but all I wanted was for him to stop.
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04-30-2013, 12:05 PM
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You should point out to him that you may have saved him a large lawsuit - imagine if a fire occurred further down the road, the fire department responded, and either
a: stopped and didn't respond to the fire because they couldn't get there, leaving all the liability for any damage or death on the part of the party blocking the right of way
b: didn't stop and one of the firemen was electrocuted when the truck took down the wire.
Of course, a simple truck delivery or moving van in/out would have the same effect, although less dramatic...
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04-30-2013, 12:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheArnolds
I do not understand how he had the money to buy the lot across the street specifically to erect a pole but he did not have the money to do it right and run it under the road. Theren are boring machines that can run a line under the road without cutting the surface. This world would be a nice place to live if it wasn't for all the people :-)
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Boring under the road may have not been the better option. The expense would have been much greater and the permits necessary from the road owner (county, state, township, HOA) could get pretty complex.
The simple solution would be to raise the wire. This could be done by simply bolting vertical cross arms to the top of the pole. Of course, if he had installed the correct length pole to begin, we would not be enjoying all the drama.
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04-30-2013, 12:59 PM
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I just reread the OP. OP'er says it is not a county or state road. Someone owns it. I wonder if he sought permission to cross the road.
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04-30-2013, 01:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LakeKerrGuy
Boring under the road may have not been the better option. The expense would have been much greater and the permits necessary from the road owner (county, state, township, HOA) could get pretty complex.
The simple solution would be to raise the wire. This could be done by simply bolting vertical cross arms to the top of the pole. Of course, if he had installed the correct length pole to begin, we would not be enjoying all the drama.
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The way I read the background of this story It is a private road in a community that has underground utilities. The permit process is no more expensive then erecting overhead wires and poles both require a permit. I have bored under roads before and it is not that costly v/s poles of the proper height. Now this person has no electric because the county cut the wire because it was not per code no permit and it was blocking easement.
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04-30-2013, 01:24 PM
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I missed the underground utility part
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Originally Posted by TheArnolds
The way I read the background of this story It is a private road in a community that has underground utilities. The permit process is no more expensive then erecting overhead wires and poles both require a permit. I have bored under roads before and it is not that costly v/s poles of the proper height. Now this person has no electric because the county cut the wire because it was not per code no permit and it was blocking easement.
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I've done it both ways. Without access to directional drilling equipment, poles would be less expensive. IMHO.
I retired after 41 years working for the power company just north of you in Dayton.
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04-30-2013, 02:58 PM
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Tugboat, you made my day. Nice to see the neighborhood thug got what he deserved.
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04-30-2013, 03:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LakeKerrGuy
I've done it both ways. Without access to directional drilling equipment, poles would be less expensive. IMHO.
I retired after 41 years working for the power company just north of you in Dayton.
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If you are from Dayton then you must know Indian Lake. In the past 20 years I have built two vacation homes on the lake and both required to bring power from the other side of the road. Found it faster and less expensive to bore under the road then to get permission to dig up the road and then make it right again. I know, I purchased land on the wrong side of the road, twice!
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04-30-2013, 08:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheArnolds
If you are from Dayton then you must know Indian Lake.
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Yes, I know Indian Lake/Russels Point pretty well. My folks had a place on Tecumseh Island for many years. I also spent a considerable amount time there during my last few years in the utility business.
Even though you bored the road rather than open cut, you still were required to get a permit. Correct?
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05-01-2013, 02:25 AM
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Not all NYs are that bad...
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05-01-2013, 04:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LakeKerrGuy
Yes, I know Indian Lake/Russels Point pretty well. My folks had a place on Tecumseh Island for many years. I also spent a considerable amount time there during my last few years in the utility business.
Even though you bored the road rather than open cut, you still were required to get a permit. Correct?
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Permits were required regardless but cutting the road was much more involved and due to the requirement to return the road to it's original condition and to coordinate with the county, etc. it was as. if not more, expensive and much more of a PITA
There were a couple of companies that specialized in boring under the road so it really was not too big a deal.
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