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Old 10-21-2021, 05:30 PM   #1
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Ok, so I've learned from this forum that the pin weight should be about 20% if the trailer weight. But the rated weights I'm seeing don't seem to match up.

For example I'm looking at an Arctic Wolf 261RK. Which lists the UVW at 7,773lb and the pin weight at 1325lb. I'm assuming the listed pin weight is at UVW making the pin weight only about 17%.

The cargo weight is 3752lb. Is that where the 20% comes in? 20% there would add 750lb so a maximum loaded pin weight of 2075lb. Am I correct there?

But I also wonder if a typical couple would normally travel with nearly that much cargo? My wife and I currently live in a 1 Br apartment. Besides furniture that wouldn't go in a trailer we might have a dozen suitcases worth of stuff including food. That can't weigh too much 6-800lb. So propane, hitch, water. Am I missing a lot?

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Ok, so I've learned from this forum that the pin weight should be about 20% if the trailer weight. But the rated weights I'm seeing don't seem to match up.

For example I'm looking at an Arctic Wolf 261RK. Which lists the UVW at 7,773lb and the pin weight at 1325lb. I'm assuming the listed pin weight is at UVW making the pin weight only about 17%.

The cargo weight is 3752lb. Is that where the 20% comes in? 20% there would add 750lb so a maximum loaded pin weight of 2075lb. Am I correct there?

But I also wonder if a typical couple would normally travel with nearly that much cargo? My wife and I currently live in a 1 Br apartment. Besides furniture that wouldn't go in a trailer we might have a dozen suitcases worth of stuff including food. That can't weigh too much 6-800lb. So propane, hitch, water. Am I missing a lot?

TIA
Don't over think it. 15-20% See where your water tanks are and whether they add to the pin weight. No you won't put 1.5 tons of stuff on, although it does add up.

Load it up with what you think you need and go play. See how it rides. You can stop at a CAT scale and get weighed, then drop the trailer and weigh the truck. That will then tell you where it sits, and whether you feel the need to move things around. (Heavy tools in the pass through etc......)
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What a nice fiver to be looking at; just store the heavy stuff like tools, outdoor stuff in those front bays, pots, pans, canned food and drinking water (beer) as far forward as storage will allow, save those rear storage areas for the plastic and paper stuff.
Pull it, what does it fell like, weigh it, make adjustments to tire pressure to the load if necessary but most of all, go have fun!

What will you be pulling it with? Don’t forget about the truck payload room because these lite weight fivers are are designed to hold pin weight to a minimum, more room for outdoor stuff.
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Add the cargo weight to the dry weight, then take 20% of that total for your estimated weight. Just do not pay attention to the dry weight as for figuring the load. Dry plus cargo weight should be the trailers GVWR,

GVWR x 0.2 = estimated pin weight.

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My Arctic Fox has the fresh tank centered over the axles. I weighed with the fresh tank empty and then full, and the pin weight did not change a bit. Trailer weight changed a lot, of course.
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Add the cargo weight to the dry weight, then take 20% of that total for your estimated weight. Just do not pay attention to the dry weight as for figuring the load. Dry plus cargo weight should be the trailers GVWR,

GVWR x 0.2 = estimated pin weight.

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What I'm getting at is that that dry pin weight rating is only 17% of the dry weight and perhaps lighter 5ers don't need quite as high a % pin weight? I'm not sure why I'd want to front load the trailer to achieve 20% if 17% is ok dry?
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I am not sure you need a higher pin weight. I thought that was just what to expect.
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What a nice fiver to be looking at;
Yeah, it's maybe a little bigger than what we need still. The one change I'd like to make is a king bed but we can live with a queen.
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Once you make the move from tent camping or a popup, you discover storage is fun. You start with pots and pans, dishes, glasses etc and just that can be 300lbs or more.

Tools, camping chairs and table, BBQ...the stuff adds up.

A light pin percentage wise can cause chucking or bad ride. Trailer manufacturers love listing light imaginary pin weights so they can sell to those thinking their weak 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck is plenty strong. Many times propane, water and other stuff are not included in this imaginary dry and pin weight.
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Ok, so I've learned from this forum that the pin weight should be about 20% if the trailer weight. But the rated weights I'm seeing don't seem to match up.

For example I'm looking at an Arctic Wolf 261RK. Which lists the UVW at 7,773lb and the pin weight at 1325lb. I'm assuming the listed pin weight is at UVW making the pin weight only about 17%.

The cargo weight is 3752lb. Is that where the 20% comes in? 20% there would add 750lb so a maximum loaded pin weight of 2075lb. Am I correct there?

But I also wonder if a typical couple would normally travel with nearly that much cargo? My wife and I currently live in a 1 Br apartment. Besides furniture that wouldn't go in a trailer we might have a dozen suitcases worth of stuff including food. That can't weigh too much 6-800lb. So propane, hitch, water. Am I missing a lot?

TIA

Well the normal average for 5er's is 20% to 25%, but you have a rear kitchen without a bedroom slide, so you could end up between 18% to 20% depending on what you load it with.
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What I'm getting at is that that dry pin weight rating is only 17% of the dry weight and perhaps lighter 5ers don't need quite as high a % pin weight? I'm not sure why I'd want to front load the trailer to achieve 20% if 17% is ok dry?
A 5er has most of its storage area in the large basement, which is forward of the axles, so this weight is mostly on the pin. Then if you add a washer=drier to the front closet it will increase the pinweight more.

Our triple axel (non-toyhauler) has a loaded pin weight of 21% of our GVWR. They general rule is never pay much attention to the brochure weights.

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UVW (Dry weight) is as it left factory
Does not include weight of propane, fresh water/water heater water
Some RV MFG use an 'average' UVW for models...some use each actual model weight

Dealer added options not included either

Published hitch/pin weights are based on UVW
17% Dry pin weight can easily reach 20% WET pin weights when 5vr is loaded up
20% - 25% is the 'typical' wet ratios

Light weight 5vrs can have wet pin ratios below 20% and tow perfectly fine
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A 5er has most of its storage area in the large basement, which is forward of the axles, so this weight is mostly on the pin.
Increasingly on newer models the raised kitchens or bedrooms in the back provide TONS of storage under the floor, well aft of the axles. I don't know if axle placement was changed to accommodate. Something to keep an eye on.
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