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Old 01-02-2020, 09:22 PM   #29
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Hi all. Been prowling the forums for a while now, decided to join today My hubby and I are looking to go full time for several months of the year starting next year.

We originally were planning on buying a Class A MH and have a toad, but hubby had to replace his truck at the beginning of this year. He bought a 2018 Ram 2500 diesel SRW, shortbed. Since he bought the truck, we changed our plans and will now get a 5W.

The 5W we really like is the 286rl by Forest River, Salem Hemisphere. It's hitch weight is 1625lbs, UVW is 8499, and CCC is 2086. I think the truck will pull this around with no problems, but I thought I'd ask the knowledgeable people here just to be sure.

What are your thoughts on this combo??
That rig is only about 100 lbs more than my rig, that I tow with a 12 year older 2500, so I don't think you'll have an issue. I'd be sure you've enough tire capacity. I have 600 lbs more tire capacity than my rear axle capacity.

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Old 01-03-2020, 07:09 AM   #30
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Ok, here goes. If you want to drive 55 in a 70 mph zone and have semi trucks zooming past you like others towing a 5th wheel with a little 250/2500 series truck go right ahead and get the 5th wheel.

I can never advise carrying more weight than the truck is designed for. For the last few years the 250/2500 series trucks are not like the 350/3500 series trucks. Now the axles are different, the spring pack and probably things different.

I see so many little trucks towing 5th wheels in the right lane on the highway trying to do 62mpg and two hands on the wheel trying to stay in their lane. You guys know who you are. Oh, sure you are retired and are not in a hurry...well how about the truck driver trying to make a living?
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I am one that has in the past encouraged those looking to buy a 5er to look at a
350/3500, BUT if they already had a 250/2500 I advised that it was their decision to tow over GVWR, it respect tire and axle ratings!
I towed a 12,500 5er for several years, running between 1,500# and 1,700# over our 2001 Ram 2500 8,800# GVWR. I had a small chip (50 hp and 100# torque). I had 3.55 gears and stated max GCWR was like 16,000# I was at about 21,000# and NEVER had an issue going the speed limit +!
It is the OPís choice but that 2500 is just as capable as a 3500 SRW.
Just to add I never needed air bags, as I was within axle and tire ratings.

I just felt I needed to add to this, so we upgraded 5er about six years ago, what was going to be the deal breaker was if our 2001 Ram 2500 CTD with Camper package would squat too much. I felt if I needed air bag or other suspension boosters the deal was off. Hooked up and tail hardly dropped.
This rig would tow at 70 easily, I could pull most hills at 55 to 60 mph. Well we decided to move up to a newer TV, I FELT that going to a SRW 3500 was a lateral move so got a 3500 DRW, here is the difference in pictures. Yes the new CTD 6.7 has far more power, but look at the pictures same trailer, with the same load!


The Old



The New

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The way I think about it 250/2500 series trucks can tow travel trailers and 350/3500 series trucks can tow travel trailers or 5th wheels. So you really should have a 350/3500 series truck for a 5th wheel.
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Ummm. Isnít that a gross oversimplification? What about 150/1500 series trucks? They canít tow at all? Come on now!
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Yes, 150/1500 series trucks are good to get groceries and tow trailers under 9,000lbs IMHO. Very few can however carry the weight of a 5th wheel.

Oh, the 2019 and newer GM 1500 series trucks I think might tow 10,000lbs because they were made a lot bigger with a longer wheelbase. But even the GM trucks which have a very good payload number of 1,800 to 2,100lbs probably can not tow many 5th wheels because most 5th wheels will have a 1,800lb wet pin weight.
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Just a couple questions

1. Why would you want to meet or exceed your vehicles capacity, is there no safety concerns about who you might hurt because you are near or over you vehicleís multiple ratings?

2. Never ever see any mention of braking, brakes are engineered for the ratings on the vehicle, you might be able to pull it but can you stop?
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Hi all. Been prowling the forums for a while now, decided to join today My hubby and I are looking to go full time for several months of the year starting next year.

We originally were planning on buying a Class A MH and have a toad, but hubby had to replace his truck at the beginning of this year. He bought a 2018 Ram 2500 diesel SRW, shortbed. Since he bought the truck, we changed our plans and will now get a 5W.

The 5W we really like is the 286rl by Forest River, Salem Hemisphere. It's hitch weight is 1625lbs, UVW is 8499, and CCC is 2086. I think the truck will pull this around with no problems, but I thought I'd ask the knowledgeable people here just to be sure.

What are your thoughts on this combo??
The short box may give you clearance issues. I know your ride quality will suffer.
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Old 01-13-2020, 01:05 AM   #35
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Iím in the market for a truck to pull a 5th wheel...

My understanding is:
Truck Tow Capacity vs Trailer GW plus cargo added

And..

Truck Cargo Capacity
Less passengers & pets weight
Less misc cargo (coolers, toolbox etc)
Less installed hitch

vs

Trailer rated pin weight plus 20% weight of cargo added to trailer

Am I missing anything?
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Iím in the market for a truck to pull a 5th wheel...

My understanding is:
Truck Tow Capacity vs Trailer GW plus cargo added

And..

Truck Cargo Capacity
Less passengers & pets weight
Less misc cargo (coolers, toolbox etc)
Less installed hitch

vs

Trailer rated pin weight plus 20% weight of cargo added to trailer

Am I missing anything?

It is early and needed to read it twice to understand.
The stuff in blue is the correct method mostly.

If looking at a 5er you will run out of Cargo Capacity on the TV before you exceed the tow capacity.
If looking at any thing besides a "1/2 ton or Lite 5er" you best get at least a 350/3500 srw.
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:56 AM   #37
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Iím in the market for a truck to pull a 5th wheel...



My understanding is:

Truck Tow Capacity vs Trailer GW plus cargo added



And..



Truck Cargo Capacity

Less passengers & pets weight

Less misc cargo (coolers, toolbox etc)

Less installed hitch



vs



Trailer rated pin weight plus 20% weight of cargo added to trailer



Am I missing anything?

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I just LOVE people claiming they pull a 40 foot 15,000+ pound plus fiver with a 250/2500 with no problems. Its obvious they have never driven across a set of scales in their travels. Otherwise they would have upgraded to a truck more capable of handling the load.
If there dumb enough to pull through a set of truck scales I guess. I have traveled all over America and have never seen rv pulled over along the truck scales being inspected by Leo . I will say if the op doesn’t exceed the tire raiting of 6500 lbs gvwrr it will be safe .
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Yes, 150/1500 series trucks are good to get groceries and tow trailers under 9,000lbs IMHO. Very few can however carry the weight of a 5th wheel.

Oh, the 2019 and newer GM 1500 series trucks I think might tow 10,000lbs because they were made a lot bigger with a longer wheelbase. But even the GM trucks which have a very good payload number of 1,800 to 2,100lbs probably can not tow many 5th wheels because most 5th wheels will have a 1,800lb wet pin weight.


Glad you clarified. We have a 7K GVWR micro Minnie and have no issues at all with our 1500 Hemi.

Totally get the 5th wheel concerns but some of us are towing shorter and lighter travel trailers so there is a place for the half ton trucks in the campground.
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If you are overweight and have an accident, will your insurance balk? If an accident is your fault, someone is badly hurt in the other vehicle, are you risking being put in financial danger not only for the other vehicle and passengers but your own damages? That would be too risky for me. I see so many pickups pulling 5ers where the load is too much on the Pu bed, or they don't know how to hitch, or something looks as if it could happen at any time. I try to get around before it does. Just asking.
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I think he means CAT scales
At a truck stop
Or grain elivator to check his weight.
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If there dumb enough to pull through a set of truck scales I guess. I have traveled all over America and have never seen rv pulled over along the truck scales being inspected by Leo . I will say if the op doesnít exceed the tire raiting of 6500 lbs gvwrr it will be safe .
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The way I think about it 250/2500 series trucks can tow travel trailers and 350/3500 series trucks can tow travel trailers or 5th wheels. So you really should have a 350/3500 series truck for a 5th wheel.

With just a misley 2,075 pounds of occupant and cargo capacity you should really be looking at travel trailers and not 5th wheels.

Now, there are a lot of very nice trailers with 3 slides. I personally like a Flagstaff 29 RSWS. Rockwood and Flagstaff are the same travel trailer just different names. Look at Flagstaff Classic and Rockwood Signature trailers to see if you like any of them? YouTube is great to look at RV's.
This type of advice is your thoughts, and is not accurate, and should not be posted.
You have in no way helped the OP by giving her false information.
You are saying a 2018 Ram 2500 should not tow a 10k FW, which is laughable to say the least.
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