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Old 03-03-2021, 04:53 AM   #1
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Pulling a Grand Design S class 2930RL-R

Anybody put that trailer on a scale to get actual weight in the bed? Based on published figures, I think its too much trailer for a 3/4 ton and needs to be a 1 ton for an acceptable margin of safety.

Ok, let me have it.
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Old 03-03-2021, 06:16 AM   #2
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There is too much variation between models to give you a blanket 3/4 ton vs one ton answer. IMHO most of us towing heavy pin weight fifth wheels along with all our stuff in the truck are likely overloaded on the rear axle. I recommend one tons to everyone looking for a new truck but they sell a lot more 3/4 tons and a whole lot more 1/2 tons. The reality is most dealers will sell you whatever you want to buy and most buyers will use whatever they own.
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:12 AM   #3
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You should post that question over on the My Grand RV Forum.com
It has a wealth of info for GD owners.
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Old 03-03-2021, 10:08 AM   #4
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Anybody put that trailer on a scale to get actual weight in the bed? Based on published figures, I think its too much trailer for a 3/4 ton and needs to be a 1 ton for an acceptable margin of safety.

Ok, let me have it.

If it actually weighs 15k fully loaded then yes you are going to want to drive a 1 ton. My Keystone fully loaded is 13,500 & I am just about at max on every axle of my Ram 2500 & the trailer. There is not a huge price difference between a 3/4 ton to 1 ton to dually 1 ton. Depending on what you do with your truck while not camping I would consider a 1 ton single or dual axle.
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Anybody put that trailer on a scale to get actual weight in the bed? Based on published figures, I think its too much trailer for a 3/4 ton and needs to be a 1 ton for an acceptable margin of safety.

Ok, let me have it.

You could end up tight with a even with a 1 ton SRW depending on the year and payload. Our 32' 13,000# 5er has a 2,700# pin, between DW myself over 150#, hitch and in bed tool box we managed to add 1,400# to our TV before adding the 5er pin. If we had bought a post 2013 Ram 3500 SRW LB with a 12,300# GVWR and payload in the 4,200# range we would have been tight. 2,700# + 1,400# = 4,100#. Your 5er will likely be loaded to about 14,000# and a pin of about 3,200#.
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I looked at the GD Solitude 2930 when we were 5th wheel shopping, and plugged the numbers into my towing capacity worksheet for my 2020 Ram 3500 CC SRW 6.7 HO TD truck, and decided that at its max GVW, the pin weight was 3000#, putting me too close on max GWVR for the truck to be comfortable with it. Even with 3736# payload, I was getting down to less than 5% safety factor on GVWR when fully loaded to go traveling, though nearly 1000# under on RAWR.
I have no way to know what kind of 3/4 ton truck you have, so it may well be a bare bones gasser long bed with lots of payload, but in general, most 3/4 ton trucks don't get up there above 3k# payload.
You may travel with no gear or clothes, or water, or pantry, or batteries, or tools, or bicycles, or other stuff I want to have along, so YMMV, but I'd call that at least a SRW 1-ton trailer, if not crossing into dually range. My feeling is that beyond 14k GVW on a 5th wheel, a dually is needed for the margin of safety.
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My 5er weighs 12,900 gross and the pin is 2900 when loaded to the gills. My 2016 F250 gas standard bed is about 600 pounds over on rear axle. If it was the long bed I might be able to keep it but there is no way to change the loading by enough so I am shopping for a new truck. Do yourself a favor and buy the bigger truck first, much cheaper than buying a replacement.

For what it's worth the truck tows it great even up mountain passes and tows better than my bumper pull trailer weighing half as much but the squat is horrible. Air bags would make it LOOK better but would not change the amount of weight on the rear axle or improve braking.
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Shipping weights are not a real refection of ready to camp weights. If you take 22% of the GVW of the trailer that will give you a real world pin weights of any 5th wheel. The factory post its pin weight at 2180lbs no gear so add 600lbs at a min plus the hitch in the bed . That is over the payload rating for a 3/4 ton trucks , Yes you can get airbags and tires that are rated at 3500lbs each assuming the truck doesn't already have them and it will do it. as a general rule 3/4 ton trucks are good for 12,000lb 5th wheels and one ton single wheel trucks are good up to 15,000lb GVW and past 15K you need a duel wheel truck to avoid being over weight. can you do it yes, if your OK with being over weight ratings. Todays Diesel pick ups will never get to there max tow ratings before they max out on payload in the RV 5th wheels. a flat bed trailer where you can adjust the load center on the axle is a different story.
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Well we went ahead and dove in for the F350. More than I wanted to spend, but as its the most valuable cargo, I'm not taking any chances. I think we could've pulled it off with a 3/4 ton with the additional max towing package which would've bumped GVWR to 10,800lbs. With the F350 it puts another 1,000 into the mix which gives me the cushion and peace of mind I need to feel comfortable.
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