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11-03-2014, 09:13 AM
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Ford Super Duty Owner
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Tire Balancing
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I am changing to Goodyear G614 tires on 16 in rims for my 2010 Montana 34RL.
The dealer on has center holding wheel capability but can borrow the finger holding set. Treditt which manufacturers the wheel rim says they are meant to be center balanced only by use of finger balance method which picks up bolt holes.y Montana dealer says they do not balance their tires unless they get a reason such as large vibration.
I have had two tier places try to balance these tires and each time they get a balance at one place on the balancer and the rotate the tire about 90 degrees the next time it shows out of balance.
Is my dealer correct in that you do not need to balance fith wheel tires. and has anyone else had this experience?
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11-03-2014, 02:48 PM
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Evergreen Owners Club
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Have had 2 5th wheel trailers and neither had the wheels balanced.
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11-03-2014, 05:32 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Charleston, SC
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I have owned 3 fifth wheels, none had valences tires. I always valence and install metal valve stems. Cheap insurance IMO.
I just upgraded from E marathons to G614's. They are great but $$$.
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11-03-2014, 05:37 PM
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Location: Benton, AR & Pharr,TX
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I always balance my RV wheels & tires and keep good shocks on my heavy fifth wheel. I also change out my tires at 5 to 6 years for new ones.
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11-03-2014, 05:47 PM
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Solo Rvers Club
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Location: Ham Lake, MN
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Glad you're aboard. IMO Balanced tires will last longer. Could use Equal or some type of internal balancing beads. Best of luck in your decision. Enjoy your adventures and be safe.
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11-03-2014, 07:22 PM
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Quote:
The dealer on has center holding wheel capability but can borrow the finger holding set. Treditt which manufacturers the wheel rim says they are meant to be center balanced only by use of finger balance method which picks up bolt holes.
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Trailer wheels are lug centered as a trailer axle hub has no centering pilot unlike our truck wheels. The hole in the trailer wheel is just a clearance hole.
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Montana dealer says they do not balance their tires unless they get a reason such as large vibration.
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I've owned three rv trailers and 14-15 flatdeck/equipment/stock trailers/boats/cargo and wore out dozens of tires on those trailers and have never had one balanced. I only balance them if a out of balance issue pops up (tread wear pattern) which is rare however I don't use ST tires on any of those trailers.
[QUOTE]I have had two tier places try to balance these tires and each time they get a balance at one place on the balancer and the rotate the tire about 90 degrees the next time it shows out of balance[QUOTE]
This is typical of most steel trailer wheels and cheap aluminum wheels. The lug holes are seldom concentric to the rims tire bead seat flange. most Quality aluminum wheels are machined so its a better chance the bead seat flange is concentric to the lugs.
And along with that issue is the trailers hubs are not balanced.
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11-03-2014, 07:47 PM
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If you are concerned about keeping the tires balanced, whether it is necessary or not, check out www.centramatic.com these will balance the entire rotating mass and no need for lead weights on the rim. About $190/axle. Have not had my truck tires balanced since installing these--about 150k miles--and getting good wear with no vibration, which is hard to do with 19.5" tires.
Joe
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11-03-2014, 08:25 PM
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I think the primary reason trailer tires fail is inadequate air pressure, but lack of balancing may contribute to tires throwing themselves apart. I know my trailer(5er) tires were always balanced, and the 15,500# 5er seemed to ride better and pull smoother.
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11-04-2014, 12:26 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
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I replaced 4 tires this summer and the dealer said they don't bother balancing them. Everett
02 Sunnybrook
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11-04-2014, 12:56 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi
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yesterday - installed beads in new toyo tires- works great!
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11-04-2014, 04:32 PM
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Location: Charleston, SC
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Originally Posted by sunnybrook3
I replaced 4 tires this summer and the dealer said they don't bother balancing them. Everett
02 Sunnybrook
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Did you ask why? I would have it done and ignore that advice. What could it hurt, except 20-30 bucks.
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11-04-2014, 05:10 PM
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Any tyre travelling faster than a wheelbarrow should be balanced - if for no other reason than it would show up a tyre fitted off-centre - but just because you can't feel the vibration, doesn't mean it is not causing damage.
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11-05-2014, 03:23 PM
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I see to many jumping trailer tires wearing out spring parts to know that balancing tires is very important.
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11-05-2014, 03:33 PM
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Monaco Owners Club Vintage RV Owners Club Nor'easters Club
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Try to imagine an unbalanced tire on your car or truck and how uncomfortable it is to ride in. Then do you want the items in your trailer or your trailer parts to be subject to an unbalanced condition, lights last longer.........I can name a whole list.
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