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Old 05-15-2020, 10:06 PM   #1
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2 options for tow vehicle

Hello all. This is my very first post and I'm seeking your advice on my towing options.

I just purchased a travel trailer with a dry weight of 4722 pounds and am curious which truck I should tow it with out*of these two options:

*I currently have a 2006 Toyota Tundra Double cab with the 4.7L engine, 3.91 gear ratio and a 5 spd transmission with O/D.* It does have the tow package but I will have to add a trailer brake controller first thing.* This truck has 116,000 miles on it.
The truck I'm looking at is a 2015 Ram 1500 Lone Star with the 5.7L engine, 3.21 gear ratio and 8 spd transmission.* It has integrated trailer brakes and 53,000 miles.

Should I be concerned towing with a 3.21 ratio more than towing with a Tundra with so many miles on it?

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First of all, forget about dry weight. No one tows an empty trailer. Whatís the trailers GVWR? If it was me Iíd go nine years newer with half the miles on the truck. If you load the trailer to its gross weight youíll have 15% of that on the hitch. Check the hitch rating on the truck and itís payload(yellow door sticker) and get a good quality weight distribution setup. YouTube has plenty of videos to walk you thru all those things. Good luck. Iím sure other folks will chime in with their opinions!
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Old 05-15-2020, 10:24 PM   #3
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Welcome to iRV2.

First dry weight , is seldom accurate , and the only time a trailer is ever dry is at the end of the assembly line.
What's the trailer GVWR ?
You have the Tundra , have you got it's tow rating numbers?
Remember the max trailer tow rating is calculated with only a driver in the truck ; do you have family ? Every pound carried in the truck has to be deducted from the Max trailer rating.
Please read through this link , for more info on tow vehicles.

http://www.irv2.com/forums/f45/tow-v...ors-89375.html
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GVWR for the trailer is 7,570 which is more than the Tundra can handle. The book in the truck shows max is 7,000lbs and most things I see online show 6,800lbs.

Total combined is 12,600 and hitch weight is 700lbs.

It seems as I'm typing this info my decision is obvious. I need to find out more about the Ram specs before I go that route.

It looks like the max for the Ram with a 3.21 axle ratio and 8 spd transmission is 8,170 lbs
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As others have pointed out - verify the payload of the RAM from the Tire and Loading sticker on the door jam. Depending on what you are going to load in the truck in terms of passengers and cargo this will likely be the weak spot on the RAM. I had a 2014 RAM 1500 Big Horn w/3.21 and 8-speed. Plenty of pull power, but a pitiful amount of payload. The Lone Star trim is essentially a Big Horn with the special Lone Star badging.
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GVWR for the trailer is 7,570 which is more than the Tundra can handle. The book in the truck shows max is 7,000lbs and most things I see online show 6,800lbs.

Total combined is 12,600 and hitch weight is 700lbs.

It seems as I'm typing this info my decision is obvious. I need to find out more about the Ram specs before I go that route.

It looks like the max for the Ram with a 3.21 axle ratio and 8 spd transmission is 8,170 lbs
A dry weight of 4700 and a gvwr of 7570 means you could load over 2700# of trailer cargo. Is this a toy hauler?
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My knee jerk answer would be the 3:21 gears are ok because the Ram has an 8 speed transmission. The Ram also has the back-up camera and brake controller.

There are a zillion used trucks. I would wait for a Ram 1500 with 3:92 gears to be a better tow vehicle. The last thing you want is to buy it and not like how it tows with 3:21 gears.

You could expand your search on trucks to include the F-150 with the Coyote 5.0 litre engine and 3:73 gears. I towed a 5,500lb travel trailer with a F-150 with 3:55 gears and liked it. The F-150 was a good match for that trailer.

The more I think about it 3:21 is not good towing gears. With all the other used trucks with 3:55 or better towing gears I would keep looking.
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You should be looking at stopping and not the pulling power. Hell a 4 cylinder can pull a 5 thousand # trailer. Itís how can it safely stop you.
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My knee jerk answer would be the 3:21 gears are ok because the Ram has an 8 speed transmission. The Ram also has the back-up camera and brake controller.

There are a zillion used trucks. I would wait for a Ram 1500 with 3:92 gears to be a better tow vehicle. The last thing you want is to buy it and not like how it tows with 3:21 gears.

You could expand your search on trucks to include the F-150 with the Coyote 5.0 litre engine and 3:73 gears. I towed a 5,500lb travel trailer with a F-150 with 3:55 gears and liked it. The F-150 was a good match for that trailer.

The more I think about it 3:21 is not good towing gears. With all the other used trucks with 3:55 or better towing gears I would keep looking.


My first thought was 3:92 but have been coming across more of these 3:21's. I have not been looking into the F-150's but I'm going to start.
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You should be looking at stopping and not the pulling power. Hell a 4 cylinder can pull a 5 thousand # trailer. It’s how can it safely stop you.
That actually is one of my bigger concerns. I don't want to be white knuckled going down a hill being worried we'll be pushed into a ditch.
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If you start looking a F-150's I would stay away from any turbo charged Eco-Boost engines. I would buy one new and take good care of it with synthetic oil changes but buy one used makes me queasy.

Stick to the 5.0 Coyote engine in a used truck. The 2015 F-150 was the year of the last redesign.
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The Tundras are pretty tuff trucks, we used about 250 of them for years hauling about 1000 lbs payload pulling 5-6 thousand pound scissor lift and trailers, they weren't even the V8, they were the V6. You wouldn't win any races with them, but they did the job. We easily got 300,000 miles out of most of them. They have a good braking system on them, so if your controller is set right, shouldn't be an issue stopping them. We finally went to 3/4 ton trucks and vans because the insurance company would not insure them because they were overloaded. They found out when one of our guys was screaming down the road at 80 mph, came upon dead stopped traffic and couldn't stop. Our 3/4 tons would not have been able to stop either at that speed. Just depends on how fast you want to go as far as truck size. The extra power is nice, but the Dodge will not stop any faster.
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One thing I learned about combination braking is the tow vehicles brakes stops the tow vehicle and the trailers brakes stops the trailer. If it doesn't then one or the other has faulty braking. Time to get them fixed where they work properly.

Years past our LDT size tow vehicles had poor brakes and braking was a serious issue. Its rare today brakes on a LDT are a issue.
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