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HDrider · 10-04-2018, 08:55 PM

For you (more in tune truck guys than me). We will be getting a 5th wheel that will weigh in at about 21k dry and was about to order a 2019 F550 and have a Utility Body Werks hauler bed installed BUT I just ran across a 2015 F550 with a Utility Body Werks bed and a Kelderman rear suspension already installed with only 19000 miles. This would save us about $30k overall.
Saving is great but what would we be missing out on compared to a 2019? I'm just not familiar with the 2015 and only what I read in the manual on the 19 so figured I would ask here.

Jshopes81 · 10-05-2018, 06:53 AM

The 2019 is the new generation. Tow capacity differences are probably minimal. Youd be getting an updated cab at the minimum.

tuffr2 · 10-05-2018, 07:18 AM

The 2019 will be a much better truck. It will have a high strength boxed frame vs the old 'C' channel.

Also the engine has been injected with more power.

The new frame allows for much better driving dynamics. I went from a 2012 F-450 to a 2017 F-250. The 2017 just feels tighter and more solid. I liked the 2012 F-450 King Ranch but really like the redesigned 2017 F-250 Lariat more. The 2017 and newer have the aluminum alloy body panels.

Now - in 12 - 14 months Ford will have all new redesigned trucks. That means the 2017 redesigned Super Duty trucks only had 3 year manufactured cycle.

HDrider · 10-05-2018, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

The 2019 will be a much better truck. It will have a high strength boxed frame vs the old 'C' channel.

Also the engine has been injected with more power.

The new frame allows for much better driving dynamics. I went from a 2012 F-450 to a 2017 F-250. The 2017 just feels tighter and more solid. I liked the 2012 F-450 King Ranch but really like the redesigned 2017 F-250 Lariat more. The 2017 and newer have the aluminum alloy body panels.

Now - in 12 - 14 months Ford will have all new redesigned trucks. That means the 2017 redesigned Super Duty trucks only had 3 year manufactured cycle.

Thanks for that, would you consider the difference to be $30,000 worth of difference? That's about what we would save by buying the used one.

tuffr2 · 10-05-2018, 09:23 AM

30k is a huge chunk of change.

The 2015 F-550 is no slouch and will be powerful with its diesel power output. To me, if I were to put a value on the newer truck it would not be 30k. I would value the newer truck at 10 - 15k more...not 30k

And to be honest I am not overly familiar with trucks that start out as a Cab Chassis. Those trucks are a slightly different animal. Probably comes with a de-tuned 6.7 power stroke to add longevity. Still will be powerful enough.

I wonder if you could find a used 2017 or 2018 F-450 or F-550. Maybe study the differences between F-450 vs F-550. The F-450 will have 4:30 gears I think the F-550 will have 4:88 gears. That might be the only difference. The 2017 F-450 will have 19.5" wheels and the wide front track. 4:30 gears is about all you would need.

I like a hauler bed but to me they lack functionality. Can't really carry other stuff like firewood, kayaks, bicycles.

Jshopes81 · 10-05-2018, 12:20 PM

The frame is actually boxed in front, c channel behind the cab. I could see some long term issues with that boxed frame and rotting in low spots. I dont know how difficult it would be to clean sediment and stuff out of the channels. Big trucks use a c channel frame so i dont really see the boxed frame as anything more than a talking point.

HDrider · 10-05-2018, 02:48 PM

The truck has 4:30 gears but switching to 4:88's is pretty easy and cheap enough. The biggestvchallenge I'm having right now is that it does not have a exhaust brake and finding a after market seems to be a challenge for some crazy reason.

tuffr2 · 10-05-2018, 03:07 PM

I would not switch to 4:88 gears until you see how it tows. Does the 2019 have van exhaust brake?

And would you consider a Ram? I understand they have had an exhaust brake from several years. Maybe a Ram 4500?

HDrider · 10-05-2018, 03:36 PM

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I would not switch to 4:88 gears until you see how it tows. Does the 2019 have van exhaust brake?

And would you consider a Ram? I understand they have had an exhaust brake from several years. Maybe a Ram 4500?

The 2019 does have a exhaust brake. I actually put a deposit on a 2018 Ram 5500 but the order window is closed and the 2019's can't be ordered until early 2019 and is to far out for us. Finding a 2018 Laramie 5500 with the right tranny and not in white is almost impossible it seems.

Parks · 10-06-2018, 12:24 AM

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The 2019 does have a exhaust brake. I actually put a deposit on a 2018 Ram 5500 but the order window is closed and the 2019's can't be ordered until early 2019 and is to far out for us. Finding a 2018 Laramie 5500 with the right tranny and not in white is almost impossible it seems.

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Oldelevatorman · 10-06-2018, 01:48 AM

Did you consider an MDT? The New Horizons guy that does their YouTube vids thinks they are a much better buy than any of the 450’s, 550’s etc. After watching him it’s what I’d buy when I upgrade trucks at some point!

tuffr2 · 10-06-2018, 06:16 AM

I noticed a lot of white trucks too. I bet they never made a blue one for example. 90 % white and 10% black.

A few other things a 2019 truck will have that a 2015 truck does not have. That is LED lights and probably will have daytime running lights. Also will come with Apple Car Play and Android Auto.

My 2017 F-250 has a lighting package that lights up the bed and beyond. I only played around with the Android Auto and so far it seems really cool. I can see letting the free satallite radio run out and using I

radio instead. Also navigation with Google Maps or Waze.

I rented a car that had adaptive cruise control. That was a big thumbs up feature. We have a 2015 car which seems old because it does not have the latest features. Oh sure, it has Lane Keep Assist, Rear Traffic Alert and Blind Spot Detection but that is it. Now our next car will have the automatic braking and adaptive cruise control with Android Auto.

I guess I would value the 2019 truck maybe 20 k more than the 2015. Being 4 years newer alone might be worth 20k. In 2012 I paid 60k for the F-450. I got 40k at trade in with 36,500 miles.. That was 20k depreciation 6 years.

Jshopes81 · 10-06-2018, 06:30 AM

As far as that exhaust brake, apparently to my suprise, if you decided to get an aftermarket tuner (like an sct livewire that can monitor as well) there are companies that can write custom tunes for the truck. They can write these tunes to include an exhaust brake. It works by closing the veins in the turbo. The reason i bought the sct was that they can monitor everything going on inside the motor and trans, run diagnostics, and you can change your tune settings (i dont think the 6.7s need any more power).

HDrider · 10-06-2018, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldelevatorman

Did you consider an MDT? The New Horizons guy that does their YouTube vids thinks they are a much better buy than any of the 450’s, 550’s etc. After watching him it’s what I’d buy when I upgrade trucks at some point!

The truck would be our daily driver for some time because we fulltime and don't want to deal with a 2nd car right now so a MDT is out of the question if you talk to my wife LOL!! And I really don't blame her.