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10-28-2021, 06:43 AM
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Why exactly are you worried so much about payload with only a 13,500 GVWR 5th wheel? Are you planing on getting a bigger / heavier 5th wheel?
I believe any dually truck 2011 or newer can handle 22,000 lbs at least. Even a GM dually.
If your wife wants a GM dually and you want the highest payload then you need a 2020 or newer.
Again Ram was the 1st to have a 14,000lb GVWR on a dually truck. Just guessing 2015(ish) the Ford in 2017 and GM in 2020.
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10-28-2021, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tuffr2
Why exactly are you worried so much about payload with only a 13,500 GVWR 5th wheel? Are you planing on getting a bigger / heavier 5th wheel?
I believe any dually truck 2011 or newer can handle 22,000 lbs at least. Even a GM dually.
If your wife wants a GM dually and you want the highest payload then you need a 2020 or newer.
Again Ram was the 1st to have a 14,000lb GVWR on a dually truck. Just guessing 2015(ish) the Ford in 2017 and GM in 2020.
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The trailer is 15k GVWR. 13,500 is loaded for our current trips, maybe a week or so. Once we start going out longer, we’ll start to load in more. I made the mistake of buying my truck expecting us to get a fifth wheel that had a GVWR around 12.5, which is what we had been looking at. Lesson learned once more in life.
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10-28-2021, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BirchyBoy
The trailer is 15k GVWR. 13,500 is loaded for our current trips, maybe a week or so. Once we start going out longer, we’ll start to load in more. I made the mistake of buying my truck expecting us to get a fifth wheel that had a GVWR around 12.5, which is what we had been looking at. Lesson learned once more in life.
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You'll never top 3500lbs pin weight with that. Add 1000lbs junk in the bed nd truck plus passenger weight, any dually 2000- will do it. My 2011 has 5555lbs of payload.
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1994 K1500 Suburban shop mule and plow truck
2006 Lakota 29RKT 5th wheel
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10-28-2021, 08:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tuffr2
Why exactly are you worried so much about payload with only a 13,500 GVWR 5th wheel? Are you planing on getting a bigger / heavier 5th wheel?
I believe any dually truck 2011 or newer can handle 22,000 lbs at least. Even a GM dually.
If your wife wants a GM dually and you want the highest payload then you need a 2020 or newer.
Again Ram was the 1st to have a 14,000lb GVWR on a dually truck. Just guessing 2015(ish) the Ford in 2017 and GM in 2020.
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Turrf2, Ram increased the payload on both SRW and DRW 3500’s in 2013. The DRW went from 12,300# to 14,000# and the SRW went from 11,500 to 12,300#, LB short bed went to 11,700#.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW Aisin 4X4 14,000# GVWR.
2005 Keystone Copper Canyon 293FWSLS Rear Kitchen 12,360 GVWR
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10-28-2021, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kdauto
You'll never top 3500lbs pin weight with that. Add 1000lbs junk in the bed nd truck plus passenger weight, any dually 2000- will do it. My 2011 has 5555lbs of payload.
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Only because you have a gas engine OP wants the grunt of a diesel, so looses about 1,000# of payload.
As stated before our 2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW has a payload of 5,411#.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW Aisin 4X4 14,000# GVWR.
2005 Keystone Copper Canyon 293FWSLS Rear Kitchen 12,360 GVWR
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10-28-2021, 08:27 AM
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I still think any dually truck 2011 or newer can easily handle a 15,000lb. GVWR 5th wheel.
Rhagfo - good to know Ram changed the GVWR to 14,000lbs in 2013. I lose track going back much more than 5 years.
OP - you will be amazed at how stable dually trucks are. Even a 13,000lb GVWR GM dually.
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10-28-2021, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhagfo
Only because you have a gas engine OP wants the grunt of a diesel, so looses about 1,000# of payload.
As stated before our 2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW has a payload of 5,411#.
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I know diesel loses payload, but I have yet to see a GM diesel dually with less than 4700-4800lbs of payload. They will handle a 16k-18k 5er anyday.
For those that go by axle ratings only it's more than that.
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1994 K1500 Suburban shop mule and plow truck
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10-29-2021, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BirchyBoy
I’ve looked online at a couple GMC 3500 DRW with the Duramax and four doors. The payloads have been around 4,600 which seems really low. They are both Denali’s - does that have that much impact? I was expecting at least 5,500 or so.
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Originally Posted by kdauto
I know diesel loses payload, but I have yet to see a GM diesel dually with less than 4700-4800lbs of payload. They will handle a 16k-18k 5er anyday.
For those that go by axle ratings only it's more than that.
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OP states most he is looking at are around 4,600#, out 2016 Ram at 14,000 GVWR is snickered at 5,411#
Until 202 GM limited the GVWR of the DRW to 13,025# or 975# less than Ford and Ram.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW Aisin 4X4 14,000# GVWR.
2005 Keystone Copper Canyon 293FWSLS Rear Kitchen 12,360 GVWR
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10-29-2021, 09:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhagfo
OP states most he is looking at are around 4,600#, out 2016 Ram at 14,000 GVWR is snickered at 5,411#
Until 202 GM limited the GVWR of the DRW to 13,025# or 975# less than Ford and Ram.
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So? 4600lbs payload is typically more than enough even for an 18 000lb GVWR 5th wheel. 18 000lbs x22%=3960lbs. That leaves 640lbs for stuff in the bed and passengers. Many here would argue rear axle rating leaves much more than that. I did not see him asking for 24 000 New Horizons or other mega 5th wheel houses.
I see dummies hauling 18k 5ers with SRW 3500 and even 2500 trucks all the time. It,s stupid, but I would not be afraid with any dually.
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1994 K1500 Suburban shop mule and plow truck
2006 Lakota 29RKT 5th wheel
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10-29-2021, 09:50 AM
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Thank everyone. I want to get the most capable truck that I can (within reason). A DRW with a payload of 4,600 may be more than capable for 18k but I also like being within the legal limits. We may want to go to a 20k fifth wheel within the next five years so I don’t want to buy a truck that isn’t rated for that.
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10-29-2021, 10:00 AM
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It will be easy to find out on a GM. I don't recall which year exactly, but you will have ALL the info regarding tow ratings listed on the B-pillar on the new trucks. I know 2021 models have it, I think 2020 models have it as well.
Much easier finding the tow ratings on these than some other brands.
If you're figuring on a monster 20k trailer later on, may as well go for a 2019 or 2020- GM and get that 5k+ payload. I'd be real surprised if an older GM dually wouldn't handle it. You'd have to load it with bricks to go over your RAWR.
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1994 K1500 Suburban shop mule and plow truck
2006 Lakota 29RKT 5th wheel
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10-30-2021, 09:55 PM
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Just for information:
2015 Silverado 3500 Duramax LTZ CC DRW
GVWR: 13,025 lbs.
Payload:4,800 lbs. (via the B pillar tag)
Trailer GVWR 16,080 lbs.
Pin Wt. appx. 3,000 lbs. wet
Like kdauto said a 20,000 lb trailer would require a newer model truck.
Good Luck in your search.
Tim
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10-31-2021, 06:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kdauto
So? 4600lbs payload is typically more than enough even for an 18 000lb GVWR 5th wheel. 18 000lbs x22%=3960lbs. That leaves 640lbs for stuff in the bed and passengers. Many here would argue rear axle rating leaves much more than that. I did not see him asking for 24 000 New Horizons or other mega 5th wheel houses.
I see dummies hauling 18k 5ers with SRW 3500 and even 2500 trucks all the time. It,s stupid, but I would not be afraid with any dually.
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Well you have no idea how much stuff the OP carries in his truck, maybe a 30 gallon extra fuel tank, maybe a tool box with tools and other stuff. We used 1,411# of payload before we even hooked up our 5er, 640# is pretty tight.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW Aisin 4X4 14,000# GVWR.
2005 Keystone Copper Canyon 293FWSLS Rear Kitchen 12,360 GVWR
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10-31-2021, 08:58 AM
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I guess some may have a hard time understanding the word "typically". I gave the math and even the expected weights, so I would hope the O.P. would know if they weigh more than that and what they would "typically" be carrying.
If people need to haul oversized houses and carry 10000lbs of cargo, Peterbilt, Kenworth, or a whole bunch of true heavy duty OTR truck builders are happy to sell to you.
I don't know why people bicker so much over a few stupid hundred pounds when I spell it all out. Sheesh...
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1994 K1500 Suburban shop mule and plow truck
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