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tuffr2 · 09-23-2021, 10:29 AM

I never considered the old Tundra. Way to truck(ish) with lousy MPG with a flimsy frame.

Seems the 2022 fixed all that. Now a boxed frame, a whopping 14" info screen, coils in back, improved front suspension, and looks like a 150" wheelbase. With the new turbo engine and more power it just might be way better than before.

I am interested in knowing the wheelbase with the 6.5' bed. If it is 150" that would be good to tow those 7,000 and even 8,000lb travel trailers. Oh oh - that is if the payload is enough. I saw one video where the payload was only a misley 1,250lbs. That would eliminate it from any serious consideration in my book. Darn...

bneukam · 09-23-2021, 01:05 PM

After selling my 2000 Toyota Tundra back in 2017 for my current Ram 1500, I was thinking of possibly going back to a Tundra in 2022.

The design is terrible, reminds me of when my grandma would put on way too much makeup. It’s completely overdone.

Plus no V8, the 5.7 was a good engine, it just needed a modern tranny, and lose the 4:30 rear end.

tuffr2 · 09-23-2021, 02:04 PM

I am not sure of what years - probably the middle of the 2000's, like 2005 Toyota built at Tundra with a 4.7 litre V8. I test drove that truck and thought I was driving a big Camry. That was a very pleasent and easy to live with truck IMHO.

But that next generation Tundra that was current did not match well with with Ford, GM or Ram. Way too tuck(ish) and lousy frame built to flex.

I am glad to see a redesigned Tundra come along. Just wish they did not copy the Ford Eco-Boost. Wish they built a 4.0 litre twin turbo.

Oh well, Japan has been known to copy.

jondrew55 · 09-23-2021, 02:46 PM

I had a 2009 Tundra longbed (my son still has it) towed 7k lb trailers with it. Loved that truck. I wasn’t educated enough to know how flimsy the frame is. That 5.7 V8 is a pig, but man it is bulletproof. My son was looking at trading it in for a 2022 but he does not like the turbo 6 since it’s brand new

tuffr2 · 09-23-2021, 03:41 PM

The frame was built to flex to help in off roading. It keeps more tires on the ground. It is my personal taste that I do not like a frame that flexes. There are however advantages to both a frame that flexes and one that does not flex.

The ride of the new 2022 Tundra should be the best of any truck now. I will definitely go look at them when my local dealer gets them in. That will be in a few months.

A am not afraid of a modern turbo engine. I saw a video where Toyota added a lot of cooling channels to keep the turbo as cool as possible. I am not sure what a cool turbo looks like...maybe one that is not glowing red.

bneukam · 09-23-2021, 09:02 PM

They gain a whopping 9 HP, and 69 ft lbs of torque going to a twin turbo V6 over the current 5.7 V8.

You can get very competitive MPG’s out of a naturally aspirated V8, with a modern transmission.

The Ram 5.7 V8 is old school push-rod, and still is the highest rated mpg’s while towing. Including on the Ike Gauntlet where elevation is involved.

Yes, the TT V6 will get better mpg’s while not towing, but is it worth the extra complexity of turbos, and HP fuel system. For those reasons I prefer the V8.

tuffr2 · 09-24-2021, 04:44 AM

It is a bold move, not to offer a V8 option.

It would be like Ford only offering the 3.5 Eco-Boost in the F-150.

Interesting V8 story (I think).

In 2011 Ford offered a 6.2 and a 5.0 litre engine in the F-150. I first test drove the 6.2 without a salesperson and just with DW. I thought nice and powerful. Then I test drove the 5.0 litre F-150. I told the DW I think this is another 6.2 litre and the salesman made a mistake. As it turns out it was a 5.0 litre. My seat of the pants test drive I could not tell them apart. I bought that F-150 5.0 litre that day.

I think Ford offered the 6.2 in the F-150 in 2011 and 2012.

tuffr2 · 09-25-2021, 05:40 PM

I watched 3 videos on the 2022 Toyota Tundra. No mention of wheelbase but from the looks of the truck it looks longer than the other 150/1500 series trucks. With the turbo engine and long wheelbase it might be good for those 8,000lb travel trailers

RVtravelz · 09-29-2021, 07:28 AM

If only the new Tundra had a bigger grill and center dash display.

jergle · 09-29-2021, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RVtravelz

If only the new Tundra had a bigger grill and center dash display.

I have to agree (with the sarcasm). I don't like the look at all.

tuffr2 · 10-15-2021, 04:42 AM

I came across this video of the 2022 Tundra frame. Looks like they fixed the flexy frame and went with the industry standard fully boxed frame. This guy talks a little about the previous generation thin 'C' channel frame from the mid section back. Take a look at the wheelbase on this production frame - what to you guess the wheelbase is? I am thinking it is over 160".

Here is the video:

https://youtu.be/LKXFiDnRzVw

JIMNLIN · 10-15-2021, 07:18 AM

A gain of around 70 lbs of torque is huge for towing duties especially with a turbo engine that gets its grunt down in low rpm range like Fords 3.5 EB engine.
Plus towing in higher elevation with a turbo engine not much hp is lost like a non boosted v8 engine going up in elevation.

I'm a big v8 fan but in some respects the turbo engines low rpms kicks v8 butz especially in the noise department while pulling long steep grades.

The wifes family had to make a 1240 mile quick run from OK to UT for a family members funeral. The wife and I road in a nephews new 2018 F150 with the 3.5 EB engine. Pulling grades on I-70 west of Denver was very surprising how the engine didn't have crank up the racket with high rpms to maintain speeds vs the various v8s I've used many times on the same I-70 mountain grades. Reminded me of my Dodge/Cummins NV5600 tranny just loafing along with little racket.

move on · 10-15-2021, 07:24 AM

If I was going to buy this truck I would get the hybrid option for its extra torque and seamless start-stop operation. If it's like the F-150 hybrid the option will pay for itself in improved fuel economy.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...rid-tech-dive/

bneukam · 10-15-2021, 09:24 AM

But, even a TTV6 Hybrid will get less gas mileage when towing compared to the V8, even in the mountains.

Toyota should have offered the TTV6 as a Hybrid only, and then a V8 as a 2nd option. This makes more sense for their buyers, as many of them do put on 200 or 300k miles before trading in. Unlike Ford truck buyers that mostly trade in before 100k.

But this really hurts the used truck consumer, as these trucks age, and start racking up miles, the repair bills will get expensive. The hybrid batteries alone are several thousand to replace.