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Old 06-17-2022, 05:26 PM   #1
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5th wheel and gasser

So,I currently have a 14 windsport,no real issues with it other than it's showing some age(original tires,stickers cracking,paint oxidizing). I bought a 22 gmc 2500 6.6 l,4x4 gas cuz I couldn't pass on the deal and am wanting to go 5th wheel or travel trailer. I know diesels are better,I get it,I have a gas motor. The numbers look great.it says It's rated at 14,500 max conventional pull and 16,900 max gooseneck pull,3751 max payload,I don't plan on coming close to any of those numbers and I realize it will downshift on hills but I never see any gas motors pulling fifth wheels,is it just cuz diesels pull effortlessly or is there a solid reason to stay with a bumper pull and avoid 5th wheels?
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Old 06-17-2022, 05:48 PM   #2
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You probably never see gassers pulling fifth wheels because about the only way to tell the difference is by the badges on the doors.
I know plenty of people pulling with gassers. Operating in the high rpm range gassers like doesn't bother them. Their fuel mileage may be a bit worse than mine but their fuel costs less too. I figure it's a wash. Especially considering they don't have to mess with as many filters or as much oil.
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Old 06-17-2022, 05:53 PM   #3
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No problems at all with your gasser; just pick the Ty or 5th wheel that will allow you to stay within the capacities (RAWR, payload, GCWR) of your new truck when fully loaded and enjoy. (It might stay a little thirsty, so donít ever check your fuel mileage..)

Remember, folks pulled 5th wheels and travel trailers all over the US long before anyone had even heard of a diesel engine in a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.

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Old 06-17-2022, 06:12 PM   #4
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No problems at all with your gasser; just pick the Ty or 5th wheel that will allow you to stay within the capacities (RAWR, payload, GCWR) of your new truck when fully loaded and enjoy. (It might stay a little thirsty, so don’t ever check your fuel mileage..)

Remember, folks pulled 5th wheels and travel trailers all over the US long before anyone had even heard of a diesel engine in a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.

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Yes they did and when diesels became mainstream people realized how much better they are to tow with.
Just because diesels were uncommon doesn't mean people liked towing with 230hp 3/4 ton gas trucks. It's all they had and gas was .35 a gal.
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Yes they did and when diesels became mainstream people realized how much better they are to tow with.
Just because diesels were uncommon doesn't mean people liked towing with 230hp 3/4 ton gas trucks. It's all they had and gas was .35 a gal.


never said that diesels arenít ďbetter.Ē My tow mule is a 2019 F350 DRW Power Stroke and I wouldnít have anything less for my needs. That said, I pulled a 32í fiver through most of the southeastern US and the Colorado Rockies from 2003-2009 with a 2001 F250 gasser (5.4L V8, in fact) while most had diesels at the time.

Did I like towing with my underpowered gasser truck? You bet I didÖ.sure liked it a lot better than missing 6 years of RV vacations and camping trips with my young family because I didnít have a diesel at the time.

No reason that OP canít enjoy his brand new 6.6L gasser.
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Old 06-17-2022, 07:54 PM   #6
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The larger issue that you will have is finding 5th wheels that keep your truck within its weight ratings.

3/4 tons typically do not make a good combination for 5th wheels unless you find a fairly light one. With a 5th wheel you are looking at an average pin weight of 22% as opposed to a 10% weight on a TT.

Now that I have said that you will have people coming out of everywhere saying it is done all the time and not a problem. Yes, there are options, know your weights and make a choice. There are tons of threads with real life math about weights on this website.
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My biggest concern when towing heavy with a gas motor is NO exhaust brake. To me that is the biggest benefit of a diesel over a gas motor. One reason we got rid of our F53 V10 class A was due to running 4500-5000 rpm down the mountain in 1st gear doing 25mph with the 4 way flashers going.

BUT, we live out west and are either going to or from the coast so traversing mountain ranges, sometimes a couple times a day. Had we lived out east or somewhere in the middle we'd still have that motorhome. We downsized to a 25' TT and are much happier driving up and down mountains with the truck / trailer combo.

Keep your fiver to a reasonable size and your truck will work well, just be ready to downshift and use those gears on descents. Good luck on your search.
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Old 06-19-2022, 08:53 AM   #8
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No reason a gasser won't work. It will run higher RPM's when pulling hard, but if that doesn't bother you it won't be an issue. Depending on the size of the trailer you will need to do a little planning for fuel stops. Sometimes the gas pumps are a bit tricky to get into with a big trailer where diesel pumps are usually easy to accommodate big rigs.

I pulled large, heavy stock trailers and an old heavy 5th wheel for years with a 1979 Chev. 454 Dually before there were a lot of diesel pickups on the road.
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.........never see any gas motors pulling fifth wheels,is it just cuz diesels pull effortlessly or is there a solid reason to stay with a bumper pull and avoid 5th wheels?
Diesels are the tow vehicle of choice since they have an exhaust brake for slowing down in heavy traffivc and on down grades and more torque for towing uphill. If you want to tow a fifth wheel trailer with that truck look for a small one that is relatively light and a safe margin under your truck's towing capacity.
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GM upped the GVWR to 10,800? for 2022 2500 trucks. FWIW my 10,000 Ram 2500 had the industry standard 10,000 GVWR and a door sticker 2971lbs for CCC. Add another 800lbs to that and the CCC would've been 3771lbs. Not saying that the OP has a high CCC be he does state he has 357llbs for CCC.
A 12-13,000lb 5th wheel would certainly be doable with a newer GM 2500.
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Gas trucks will typically have more CCC than the diesel trucks because of all the emissions hardware that is on the diesel plus the extra weight of the engine. My 2017 F-250 6.2 gasser has a cargo capacity of 3,497 lbs.

Also with the Ford 7.3 litre engine I would say things are looking good for gas engines. That plus the GM 6.6 litre gas engine plus Cummins building a new 6.7 litre gas engine. Couple that with the higher cargo capacity I can see gas engines towing more and more 5th wheels.
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If it can pull the Ike, it can pull anywhere. The 6.6 gasser did great. Here's the video:



One of the main reasons I stopped drooling over oil burners was I watched my piddly 6.0 gasser video pulling the Ike. It wasn't fast. It burned a lot of gas. But it made it.
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A vote for gas here. We've pulled our fiver from Idaho all over the Northwest and even to Alaska with a 2016 Ram 6.4. No problem.
If I could improve anything, it would be the newer 8 speed trans and 4:10 gears.
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You already have the gas truck so that is a wash. Keep your fifth wheel less then 12000 lbs. That will be 2640lb of pin weight. You will be getting close to rear GAWR. Stay with in GVWR,GCWR and GAWR. Diesels are more popular because you have the power to maintain speed up hills, exhaust brake to control the load going down hill and being able to easily pass traffic as needed. It is also a big plus to fuel at truck stops.
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