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Old 12-08-2018, 03:15 PM   #15
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Old 12-08-2018, 05:20 PM   #16
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Humm, if a F-350 SRW truck has a GVWR of 11,500lbs. and a Ram 3500 SRW truck has a GVWR of 12,300lbs. maybe look at a Ram 3500. You will be pleasantly surprised as they are very nice trucks.

Now in about 6 or 7 months the redesigned Chevy heavy duty will be out with more capacity. A few months after that both Ram and Ford will have new redesigned trucks out. Both the Ford and Ram is rumored to have more speeds and bigger gas engines. The Chevy will also have a new 6.6 litre gas engine.

Typically new redesigns increase engine power. towing, and hauling capacity.
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Old 12-08-2018, 10:17 PM   #17
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Humm, if a F-350 SRW truck has a GVWR of 11,500lbs. and a Ram 3500 SRW truck has a GVWR of 12,300lbs. maybe look at a Ram 3500. You will be pleasantly surprised as they are very

Typically new redesigns increase engine power. towing, and hauling capacity.
Now, if the 11300 rating on the ford puts him over the 26k mark, the 12300 will be even more. I have to ask though, why is the non commercial class a not in the cards? Im in pa and ive helped some really dumb individuals get a class a commercial for under 600$ all in.
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Old 12-09-2018, 03:06 AM   #18
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Back to the drawing board. You need a smaller / lighter 5th wheel. I would pick one that could be towed by a F-250. That way you will not draw any attention to yourself by the Pa. weight police.

A 2WD gasoline engine F-250 XLT will have a occupant/cargo capacity of around 3,500lbs or more.

The Jayco 347 BHOK is 42' long. That is simply the wrong 5th wheel / truck combo to stay under a GVWR of 26,000 lbs.

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Bite the bullet and get the required drivers license.
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Now, if the 11300 rating on the ford puts him over the 26k mark, the 12300 will be even more. I have to ask though, why is the non commercial class a not in the cards? Im in pa and ive helped some really dumb individuals get a class a commercial for under 600$ all in.
Getting the non-commercial class a would be the be the best choice and if it was $600 and I could do it in a week or less I would. The problem is that I wont buy the truck/trailer combo before having the license to drive it and the 'schools' that I have seen take a few weeks and a few thousand and are overkill for what I need to do.
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The only other option that I can think of is renting a short flatbed trailer with a GVWR of 20,501lb or more with an actual weight of 6,400# or less and taking the test in my Tacoma. (My Tacoma GVWR is 5,500)

I believe that will meet the requirement for the test (while being legal), although I may have to convince the test center.
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The only other option that I can think of is renting a short flatbed trailer with a GVWR of 20,501lb or more with an actual weight of 6,400# or less and taking the test in my Tacoma. (My Tacoma GVWR is 5,500)

I believe that will meet the requirement for the test (while being legal), although I may have to convince the test center.
I know a guy. I know a few guys actually that can help you out on the testing part. Pm me.
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I know a guy. I know a few guys actually that can help you out on the testing part. Pm me.
Thanks again. I will go that route and get the non-commercial knocked out and then get a DRW truck.
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Good decision. And just an FYI - a dually truck will make towing a non-event. O towed a lot on Rt 22 from Pittsburgh to Ebensberg. There is a mountain just east of Blairsville that was a non-event. A brother-in-law in a diesel pusher did 30mph up the mountain while I did 65mph.

A 42' 5th wheel will also look better behind a dually truck.

Again - good luck and a good decision

When buying the truck get the 5th wheel hitch package and work the 5th wheel hitch into the deal.
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Thanks again. I will go that route and get the non-commercial knocked out and then get a DRW truck.
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Good decision. And just an FYI - a dually truck will make towing a non-event. O towed a lot on Rt 22 from Pittsburgh to Ebensberg. There is a mountain just east of Blairsville that was a non-event. A brother-in-law in a diesel pusher did 30mph up the mountain while I did 65mph.

A 42' 5th wheel will also look better behind a dually truck.

Again - good luck and a good decision

When buying the truck get the 5th wheel hitch package and work the 5th wheel hitch into the deal.
Blairsville hill is a pain in the kneck in an 80klb crane. If your momentum is right you can make it up without going low side. We had a pete with a c13 kor package that would pull that hill in 10th at 70mph no problem.

As far as the licensing goes nick is going to play guinea pig to see about a non comm class a. Theres not much info on it online at all. I guess we'll see how it goes. Worst case he'll end up with a commercial a and no manual endorsement. Driving privately the only difference will be a medcard renewal every few years. No logs or dot regs to follow if its not used commercially so it will functionally be just like the non commercial a.
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That mountain east of Blairsville I think is a 1,200' elevation gain. In the old days before Rt22 was 'fixed' the road was windy and with a lot of slow moving coal trucks up the mountain and fast moving coal trucks down the mountain. I was lucky not to be killed on that mountain. Wet road at the bottom, ice and snow on the top.

Good job helping Nick. He will be happier with a dually truck and new wizz bang license.

His drives from Punxatawny to Virgina and North Carolina will be interesting in the winter months. There will be a lot of salt on the road.

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Back to the drawing board. You need a smaller / lighter 5th wheel. I would pick one that could be towed by a F-250. That way you will not draw any attention to yourself by the Pa. weight police.

A 2WD gasoline engine F-250 XLT will have a occupant/cargo capacity of around 3,500lbs or more.

The Jayco 347 BHOK is 42' long. That is simply the wrong 5th wheel / truck combo to stay under a GVWR of 26,000 lbs.

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Bite the bullet and get the required drivers license.
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I can testify that towing the same trailer with a SRW and DRW is Night and Day, no comparison. Especially when the wind blows. You just have to put up the the inconveniences of a DRW when not towing or buying tires.
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