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Old 12-13-2018, 10:14 AM   #29
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Back to the drawing board. You need a smaller / lighter 5th wheel. I would pick one that could be towed by a F-250. That way you will not draw any attention to yourself by the Pa. weight police.

A 2WD gasoline engine F-250 XLT will have a occupant/cargo capacity of around 3,500lbs or more.

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For an actual 2019 Gas F-250 sticker, I shared this recently. 3,324 Lbs, not really appropriate for the OP, but may help others reading for research

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Old 12-13-2018, 10:20 AM   #30
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My 2017 F-250 Lariat with a panoramic sunroof has a occupant/cargo capacity of 3,497 lbs. So I thought a less optioned F-250 like an XLT would be 3,500lbs. or more.

Now my F-250 is 2WD with rear locker. I think a 4 x 4 will chew up 300 - 400lbs of cargo capacity.
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:37 AM   #31
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F250 SRW 43 footer

We just recently purchased a MS Manhattan. Dry weight 19,500. Added bags and hellwig bars to my 2017 f250 platinum short bed. Hauled it about 800 miles now and zero issues. Had a 39 foot bumper pull before and that thing was awful to tow. New rig goes straight as an arrow with no power or stopping issues. Had about 150 miles in steady 20 mph crosswind with 30-40 gusts a couple times and even when going by a semi or being passed by one the truck never wandered across its lane.
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Old 01-02-2019, 07:50 AM   #32
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What was to old rig if you do not mind me asking.
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Old 01-02-2019, 11:10 AM   #33
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Jayco eagle 338 rets. It fealt fine In the truck but you could look In the mirror and see it swaying and when a semi would go by or windy I could feel it on the steering wheel. Nothing like the bigger fifth wheel and the bumper pull actually made me longer overall also.
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:48 PM   #34
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Old Biscuit got it right. I am non-commercial, but based on PA law, I would need a non-commercial Class A. There is an exception in that normally in PA if you have a trailer above 12000 lb you need the CDL, but for a recreational trailer, only the 26,000 combined comes into play.

Even though I will mainly be out of PA, I am still bound by the PA law. I know in one specific location I will go, my license and listed weight will be checked (no scale) and if I am not in compliance, it is not good for employment which is why I need to make sure I am under 26,000 GVWR.

It sounds like the consensus is that it will tow fine and I just need to find the right combo of 5th wheel to pair with the truck as the one I mentioned would be very slightly over 26,000.
Just curious where you saw the 12000 lb trailer requiring a CDL? If it was on the old Pennsylvania truckers handbook, that is now exempt. The only time non commercial vehicle trailer weights come into effect is if its 10,000 lbs or more and puts your gross combination weight rating over 26000 lbs or if it actually weighs or is registered over 10,000 lbs, you would have to register your truck in combination.
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We just recently purchased a MS Manhattan. Dry weight 19,500. Added bags and hellwig bars to my 2017 f250 platinum short bed. Hauled it about 800 miles now and zero issues. Had a 39 foot bumper pull before and that thing was awful to tow. New rig goes straight as an arrow with no power or stopping issues. Had about 150 miles in steady 20 mph crosswind with 30-40 gusts a couple times and even when going by a semi or being passed by one the truck never wandered across its lane.

Have you been to a CAT scale? I really want to see how far over your RAWR you are....and more importantly the tire and wheel ratings.... I'd expect over a 5k pin weight for that trailer, or about 8500lbs on the rear axle of that truck.
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Have you been to a CAT scale? I really want to see how far over your RAWR you are....and more importantly the tire and wheel ratings.... I'd expect over a 5k pin weight for that trailer, or about 8500lbs on the rear axle of that truck.
Yes I hit cat scale 20 miles after getting it. 7400 drive axle weight. 30k gross. Weighed again just truck and had a 3660 drive axle weight and 9000 gross weight. As far as tires and wheels I have the 20 inch wheels and Michelinís that come factory which are the strongest that come stock. Tire rating is like 3650 if I remember right. That drive axle weight is the one Iíll keep my eye on the most. At the time there was probly 200 pounds in my bed that I could eliminate. Another wheel and trailer tire, random tools etc
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We still have 70% of our things to move in. Will weigh again when we move next but thatís still a few months away
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We still have 70% of our things to move in. Will weigh again when we move next but thatís still a few months away
Just noticed today now that weíre setting up that the grey and black tanks were almost half full. Didnít think about it at dealership siince I never travel with anything in tanks and was told it was all empty. So that alone is going to eliminate a good bit of weight when you consider the size of the tanks on this rig.
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We still have 70% of our things to move in. Will weigh again when we move next but thatís still a few months away
So with an F-250 I believe your running a 10.5" Stirling, highest GAWR rating on those was 7000lbs in a 2016 F-350.

The larger Dana axle on the F-350's has a GAWR of 7230lbs.

Your correct on the tire rating - 3650lbs each on 20" package for a total of 7300lbs.

So your over your axle/tire rating and the unit is mostly empty.
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Hi everyone,

I am looking towards getting a 5th wheel that will be used 2-3 nights a week year round. I looked at travel trailers, but the insulation and towing dynamics seem to be better in the 5th wheels. I need to get one with a bunkhouse and an additional 1/2 bath is preferred which led me to the Jayco 347BHOK.

I need to upgrade my truck and am looking at the F-350s. My preference would be to get the DRW however, I live in PA, and the bump in GVWR would put me over 26,000lbs quickly requiring a CDL.

The specs on the 2019 F-350 SRW 4x4 176" WB, Crew cab are:
5th Wheel Towing - 15,700 (Gas) 20,700 (Diesel)

GVWR 11,500 Payload 4,450
GVWR 11,300 Payload 4,250
GVWR 10,800 Payload 3,810

Axle Rating 6,000 Front 7,280 Rear

2019 Eagle 347BHOK
Unloaded weight 12,300
Dry Hitch 2402 lbs
GVWR 14,850 lbs
20% GVWR = 2,970lbs

I will usually be towing with no one else, however on occasion there may be 4 adults in the cab. The estimated 2970 pin weight doesn't leave a ton of weight left unless I go up to the 11,300lb GVWR (which then puts me 150lbs above the CDL requirement).

I'm not tied to this Truck/5th Wheel combo, but am just trying to set a bench mark to compare against.

Appreciate any advice you can provide as I would be new to RVs and haven't towed large trailers in many years.
Do your self a BIG favor, get the NC class A endorsement and get a DRW TV, you will enjoy towing so much more.
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Just noticed today now that weíre setting up that the grey and black tanks were almost half full. Didnít think about it at dealership siince I never travel with anything in tanks and was told it was all empty. So that alone is going to eliminate a good bit of weight when you consider the size of the tanks on this rig.
Im not going to tell you youre going to get sued or that your trailer will wreck you or anything like that, but ill tell you what youre for sure going to see at some point. Youre going to overheat and have tread seperation on your tires at some point. Youll not likely break anything in your rearend but youll be looking at a rebuild at an "oddly" low mileage. Youre rear springs will start sagging before they would normally. Depending on where you drive you may also smoke a transmission. You will wear stuff out before you should.
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