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Old 03-08-2021, 03:37 PM   #127
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Be careful about that Billett. Between GM and Ram, it use to be, and may still be, like identical twin chicks. The rear ends are pretty much the same.

Lol, i couldn't resist either.
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Be careful about that Billett. Between GM and Ram, it use to be, and may still be, like identical twin chicks. The rear ends are pretty much the same.

Lol, i couldn't resist either.
Too shaeeeee
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Old 03-08-2021, 04:05 PM   #129
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I personally like that sticker. It tells you limitation information on that particular truck. It takes all the guess work out of myiad of truck configuations and eliminates marketing hype. I would like to see Ford, Ram, Toyota and Nissan do the same label.
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Old 03-09-2021, 07:23 AM   #130
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"KERB WEIGHT, the edge of a raised path nearest the road

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Looked at 2021 truck today and guess what it had? A sticker that sets the limits on the truck and even uses that word "MUST". This was on the door jam...I guess this sums it.
The gross weight is the curb weight plus payload. Itís often represented by the letters GVWR for gross vehicle weight rating. When examining the placard with the curb weight and payload information, youíll see two additional numbers that represent the gross axle weight rating (GAWR). This is the maximum weight you can safely place on each axle.

Curb weight (American English) or kerb weight (British English) is the total mass of a vehicle with standard equipment and all necessary operating consumables such as motor oil, transmission oil, brake fluid, coolant, air conditioning refrigerant, and sometimes a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.

CURB IMPLYING on a public road, not a off highway situation,
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Old 03-09-2021, 07:41 AM   #131
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Looked at 2021 truck today and guess what it had? A sticker that sets the limits on the truck and even uses that word "MUST". This was on the door jam...I guess this sums it.
What were the details on the truck? I can guess but rather have exact.

Find it odd they didn't bother to tell you the FGAWR.
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Old 03-10-2021, 08:03 PM   #132
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Regardless of what you may or may not be able to do re an increased payload, the vehicle as a whole has been designed to carry a specific maximum. The maker's accountants will have made sure there is no excess!

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Old 03-10-2021, 08:39 PM   #133
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Looked at 2021 truck today and guess what it had? A sticker that sets the limits on the truck and even uses that word "MUST". This was on the door jam...I guess this sums it.
CWSWine.......THANKS for quoting me. Saved me from having to type that all again

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Obviously that sticker was designed by a lawyer. It says you cannot exceed your curb weight.
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LOVE IT.
States right there.....must not exceed and then list the ratings and includes CURB weight

That shows a lot of thinking/wordsmithing/research/fore thought went into that sticker..........
OK maybe NOT...probably just a room full of lawyers and said "that's covers it all---good job"
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Old 03-11-2021, 10:15 AM   #134
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Tow ratings is it

the design limitation
the lawyers
the roads
the driver skill set
the rules of the road

But it is what it is, trying to up it is a Herculean task, mechanically and legally too so best to up the vehicle caliber.



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Old 03-11-2021, 03:12 PM   #135
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So many things wrong with that story:


1. Changing lanes in a construction zone
2. Driving faster than the flow of traffic (reason for the lane change)
3. 1/2t truck towing a toyhauler


The driver was cited and I agree with the police.
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Old 03-20-2021, 08:41 AM   #136
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Factory payload or axle weight ratings cannot be increased beyond what the factory designed it for. If you need more payload capacity than your original vehicle, trade or sell your vehicle and go to the next level (e.g. from 1500 to a 2500 OR 2500 to a 3500). More leaf springs, air bags, widgets will not increase it one pound.

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Old 03-20-2021, 08:52 AM   #137
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Iíve never hauled anything with a sticker yet. Not about to try and start now.
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Old 03-20-2021, 11:30 AM   #138
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Factory payload or axle weight ratings cannot be increased beyond what the factory designed it for. If you need more payload capacity than your original vehicle, trade or sell your vehicle and go to the next level (e.g. from 1500 to a 2500 OR 2500 to a 3500). More leaf springs, air bags, widgets will not increase it one pound.

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Actually you can; albeit your modifications will not be officially "recognized" and that's what folks are really talking about here. But your truck will handle more weight. During the past decade, my buddies, who are diesel mechanics, built a couple to pull in sled competitions. If you don't think those bad boys could handle more weight than the showroom variety, I don't know how to convince you.

You know that GM has tested the differential, housing and components of your truck (well not yours, but one like it) to 10,716 pounds of load without distortion and the axle and bearing to ~ 18,000 without distortion. and that's the gas version, which has lighter components. (unless its the 454 with the Allison)

When you think about it, you sort of get the impression the axles and running gear will handle more than the sticker sez when youre off road and come off maybe a three foot embankment and the truck acts like it fell on a cushion and just keeps on trucking.
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Factory payload or axle weight ratings cannot be increased beyond what the factory designed it for. If you need more payload capacity than your original vehicle, trade or sell your vehicle and go to the next level (e.g. from 1500 to a 2500 OR 2500 to a 3500). More leaf springs, air bags, widgets will not increase it one pound.

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Good luck trying to find a 2500. Dealers lots can't even keep 1500's in stock. 2500's and above are non-existent
I had one ordered in early 2019. Dealer said it would be 12-18 weeks out because of the GM strike in late 2018. Then Covid hit, plants shut down. The dealer called me to let m know they could not even order the truck.
This dealer used to stock over 100 trucks. Now his lot is just about empty. Search online for heavy duty trucks. Or any truck for that matter.
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I am seeing the same thing as glwinger. 250/2500 and 350/3500 trucks are in short supply at my local dealers. My Chevy dealer had zero 2500/3500 trucks just two days ago.
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