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kdauto · 05-19-2023, 10:14 PM

Was at the Chevy dealer this afternoon, the girlfriend's Bolt EUV finally got delivered. Waiting for a bunch of paperwork, F@I guy and all that stuff, I looked at the 2500HD High Country Duramax in the showroom. Damn, HUGE truck 105k CDN and only 1586lb payload? The 1500 next to it had 200+ better payload. I'm sure they'll sell it to some dude who wants a 32' 10k lb trailer.

tuffr2 · 05-19-2023, 10:28 PM

Yikes - would have guessed a payload of 2,800 lbs being a 2500 and a diesel. I am guessing that truck was loaded with heavy options.

kdauto · 05-20-2023, 07:10 AM

It looked fully loaded to me, sunroof, folding running boards, huge tires, approximate 6" lift. The heaviest option is that heavy diesel powertrain. I suspect it eats 1000lb vs a 6,6 gas engine.

Cumminsfan · 05-20-2023, 08:58 AM

Guessing it was de-rated from the lift kit. Most GM 2500 diesels have mid 2500 on up for CCC. You can get them in the 11,000 GVW if you pick the right package.

tuffr2 · 05-20-2023, 10:30 AM

The biggest raised truck can tow the least. Did you try to get in it? It is not easy to get into a truck raised 6".. You have to be a gymnast, I think, to get into that truck.

Tomahawk · 05-20-2023, 11:02 AM

Several months ago I was at a RAM dealer and saw the same thing on a 2500 Power Wagon. Payload was 1000 LB less than the Big Horn right next to it.

Old-Biscuit · 05-20-2023, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomahawk

Several months ago I was at a RAM dealer and saw the same thing on a 2500 Power Wagon. Payload was 1000 LB less than the Big Horn right next to it.

Power Wagons have ALWAYS had low payloads...they were meant for off roading not towing

Bells & Whistles plus Lifted 6"......expect low payload
Off road Street Queen

kdauto · 05-20-2023, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

The biggest raised truck can tow the least. Did you try to get in it? It is not easy to get into a truck raised 6".. You have to be a gymnast, I think, to get into that truck.

My 5'3" GF got in it. The biggest step is up to the running boards, but they're lower than normal to compensate a bit. I got my fat arse in too, but not impressed with a "show truck". 105k...way too much for a 2500HD. 10k more gets me a Denali DRW with a bunch of options on top.

ctechbob · 05-27-2023, 11:36 PM

Not uncommon these days. Payloads are being eaten up all over the place with stuff trucks didn't historically come with. Power folding running boards, power rear windows, power sunroofs, power everything.

Not specifically HD trucks, but I've seen Midsizers with sub 1000#, an F150 with 1400#, and many others looking around.

Of course, most of the buying public doesn't care. They'll just buy whatever and hook it up to the largest trailer the RV guy will sell them and hop on down the road.

kdauto · 05-28-2023, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ctechbob

Not uncommon these days. Payloads are being eaten up all over the place with stuff trucks didn't historically come with. Power folding running boards, power rear windows, power sunroofs, power everything.

Not specifically HD trucks, but I've seen Midsizers with sub 1000#, an F150 with 1400#, and many others looking around.

Of course, most of the buying public doesn't care. They'll just buy whatever and hook it up to the largest trailer the RV guy will sell them and hop on down the road.

Exactly! This truck had all the accessories you mention. What a useless truck, all for show. For offroad, one would be better off to choose a lighter truck to start with. No one does true offroading with a 4+ ton truck.

Newmar2856 · 05-28-2023, 11:45 AM

The High Country is the top of the line trim level for Chevy.

Seems to me the only reason anyone should buy a 3/4 ton is because of licensing restrictions in some states on anything over 10K GVWR. Otherwise 1 ton for towing is the way to go.

Also, totally agree on understanding what payload the truck you’re buying has. It can be an expensive mistake to under buy.

JIMNLIN · 05-28-2023, 01:13 PM

The new gen 2500 chevy/GMC has 15 different gvwrs ranging from 10000 lb up to 11550 lbs. Some even in 50 lb increments...... gvwr based payloads are all over the place even for the same truck.

Like Fords F350 srw with 17 different gvwrs and now GM 3500 srw and 2500 trucks just choose the gvwr that fits your needs.

With all the different gvwrs now we have payload stickers all over the spectrum depending on a gvwr number.....many for the same exact truck.

So we can buy the same LDT cab/drivetrain/etc with a high or low silly payload sticker. But one with a high payload sticker may over load the trucks rawr.

Check your payload stickers....but more importantly watch the trucks gawrs with attention the rawr as its carrying all that large or small load in the bed.

tuffr2 · 05-30-2023, 08:09 AM

Agree - with Ford they do have all those GVWR classifications but as far as I can tell only have 2 rear axles. I think they are 6,600lb and a 7,300lb rear axle capacity for the SRW trucks.

Dave Pelletier · 05-30-2023, 09:25 AM

Yep, great reminder.

1,500 lbs is very poor for a HD2500 - I wonder if it had a paper GVWR derate like Ford offers.

Typically a 250/2500 diesel has a payload in the 2,200 - 2,500 range....which is still very low. I agree with the previous poster that the only reason to buy a 3/4 ton is if it's a registration/insurance issue.

The Power Wagon has a laughable payload - I looked at a 2014 that had a payload of 1,250 lbs! At least Ford managed to keep the payloads up on the Tremors though they aren't quite as offroad capable as a PW.

Just got word that our F350 SC LB 7.3 4x4 XLT should be here in about a week or so; I'm expecting payload to be in the 4,200 - 4,500 range.

Dave