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Skilletface · 03-07-2023, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sbad0cko

Ahh. Oh well, I refuse to go CC LB !! That's becoming an Urban Assault Vehicle in terms of size at that point ...

It is true the short bed comes with a 34 gal. tank but a 5-6 gal. portable diesel (securely fastened) in the back if needed puts you in that 40 gal. range. I believe a gasser may have a larger fuel capacity as it does not require DEF.
As a side note: We can run about 4+ hours towing on the 34 gal. tank, trust me I can no longer set that long so we coordinate a fuel stop. Should fuel be less on down the road, in goes the five gallons (GasBuddy) and move on.

ttavasc · 03-07-2023, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Skilletface

It is true the short bed comes with a 34 gal. tank but a 5-6 gal. portable diesel (securely fastened) in the back if needed puts you in that 40 gal. range. I believe a gasser may have a larger fuel capacity as it does not require DEF.
As a side note: We can run about 4+ hours towing on the 34 gal. tank, trust me I can no longer set that long so we coordinate a fuel stop. Should fuel be less on down the road, in goes the five gallons (GasBuddy) and move on.

The gas engine has the same size tanks - 34g for the 160" WB and 48g for the 176" WB. Below is a screen shot of the 2023 fuel tank capacities by cab configuration. A quality jerry can or two like the Wavian USA cans and a high flow nozzle work great. These are the cans that I carry. With the high flow nozzle in only takes a couple minutes to empty the full can into the tank.

Sbad0cko · 03-07-2023, 07:57 AM

RE: GMC/Chevy Allison Transmission - is it a true Allison or is it rebadged or somehow cheapened? Allison transmissions are traditionally very stout right?

Is the GMC/Chevy 6.6 regarded as a good engine so far? Is it an evolution of something proven or is it brand new?

As I stated earlier I'm generally a Ford guy but I'm not tied to them. I'll go w/ reliability over brand every time.

tuffr2 · 03-07-2023, 08:22 AM

The question is who do you trust? All the gas engines are new and the diesel engines change every few years. From brand new I like the GM product ok. I do not really like the waxed frame. There are videos showing towing with the GM 6.6 gas engine. It does good and tows better than the older 6.0. One guy had the 6.0 and says it would over heat on a hot day towing in the Rockies but the 6.6 gas truck does not over heat.

I too am a Ford guy - had a F-150 5.0 litre zero problems and comfortable truck. I then had a F-450 with 1 problem covered under warranty. Was fixed with new software. Yes a laptop vs a wrench. Now I have a F-250 that I just replaced the battery after 7 years. So I lean Ford but would buy the smoother GM truck.

I will find the video of towing in the Rockies with the new GM 6.6 gas truck.

tuffr2 · 03-07-2023, 08:26 AM

https://youtu.be/PVd7p91rBjc

Here is the video.

Sbad0cko · 03-07-2023, 08:52 AM

I'm sure the TFL guys will end up taking the GM HD gasser up the Ike w/ the new 10 speed at some point.

I also read about the waxed frame ... I wonder how much I should care about it if the truck will never go out on salted roads?

tuffr2 · 03-07-2023, 09:15 AM

I looked at the waxed frame a year ago. The wax was kinda thick. The advantage of the wax, which makes sense to me, is if it gets dinged the surrounding wax will fill in the ding mark. That does not happen with the E-Coat frame. The wax is a special extra sticky substance.

The new GM truck is better than my 6 year old truck but is it better than the new Ford?

The GM has IFS which is both good and bad. The IFS made the truck ride better than my F-250 by a little.

I think Ford already has the new interior in the super duty trucks. To me, this is a big deal. I like a nice interior. GM will have the new interior in 2024 models I think.

For a gas truck Ford leads with the 7.3 Godzilla and the 6.8 Mini Godzilla. But the GM 6.6 gas engine is not too shabby either.

To me - it is not an easy choice.

Dave Pelletier · 03-07-2023, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sbad0cko

RE: GMC/Chevy Allison Transmission - is it a true Allison or is it rebadged or somehow cheapened? Allison transmissions are traditionally very stout right?

Is the GMC/Chevy 6.6 regarded as a good engine so far? Is it an evolution of something proven or is it brand new?

As I stated earlier I'm generally a Ford guy but I'm not tied to them. I'll go w/ reliability over brand every time.

The 10L1000 is a GM designed and built transmission based on the earlier lighter duty 10spds co-developed between Ford and GM. It is branded "Allison" as they have an agreement to use the name and apparently Allison looked at/vetted the transmission before agreeing to let their name be used....whatever that means. I think it's likely a good transmission.....I also don't think it's a real Allison if that matters to you... I'd consider it equal to the Ford 10R140 at this point.

The GMC 6.6 L8T gas is a decent and proven engine based on earlier engines, it's just not as powerful as the Ford 7.3 though I think the addition of the 10spd should help close the fairly large gap....but it's still 401/464 vs. 430/485 and traditionally the Fords have better gear selections available.

Dave

GME3470 · 03-07-2023, 11:17 AM

We currently have a 2022 Ford F-350, 7.3l, 4.30 rear end, crew cab that we use to pull an 8000lb trailer. In the past we have had different brand diesels which all were great but when buying this truck we decided to go with the Ford 7.3l.

This combination, particularly with the 10 speed trans, rivals a lot of our early diesels. Pulling various mountain passes is not an issue and even if you get slowed down it has the torque to regain normal speeds. Mileage on a flat road with no wind is about 10.2-10.3. Not pulling it gets about 12-13 around town and 17 highway. No DEF and less expensive maintenance is also nice.

So, in summary, I think this new engine from Ford is a game-changer.

Sbad0cko · 03-07-2023, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GME3470

We currently have a 2022 Ford F-350, 7.3l, 4.30 rear end, crew cab that we use to pull an 8000lb trailer.

*snip*

So, in summary, I think this new engine from Ford is a game-changer.

Any reason in particular you went for the 350 vs the 250 for that weight trailer?

tuffr2 · 03-07-2023, 03:33 PM

Advice is always to buy a F-350 SRW over a F-250 if you can find one. The cost increase in minimal and you get more payload. Probably get a lb. of payload for every dollar additional. And if in 3 years you want a 5th wheel a F-350 can carry the pin weight better than a F-250. A F-350 SRW is the exact same size as a F-250.

But now with the better gasoline engines a gas F-250 probably has about the same payload as a diesel F-350 SRW. A gas F350 SRW will have the most payload of around 4,000lbs is my guess.

So advice is to buy the F-350. When I bought my F-250 I could not find a F-350 in 500 miles. I wanted a particular color and option package. For every 5 F-250's there will be 1 F-350 available.

If you order a truck (which might be the new routine) I advise ordering a F-350. The added cost is around $1,200.

GME3470 · 03-07-2023, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sbad0cko

Any reason in particular you went for the 350 vs the 250 for that weight trailer?

Tuffr covered the issues well. We can add passengers, wood, camping gear etc and never be close to the payload, along with the heavier hitch rating. And, we can't tell the difference in ride from our previous F250

Sbad0cko · 03-08-2023, 06:51 AM

Anybody towing w/ a RAM? I understand they ride much nicer unladen given the coil spring rear suspension.

They have what, a ZF transmission? Any feedback on their gas motor and transmission?

Dave Pelletier · 03-08-2023, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sbad0cko

Anybody towing w/ a RAM? I understand they ride much nicer unladen given the coil spring rear suspension.

They have what, a ZF transmission? Any feedback on their gas motor and transmission?

No, though I have 4 Rams, they are all diesels. The 6.4 Hemi is a decent engine but it's the least powerful gasser of the three and the MDS system isn't ideal for a HD pickup IMO. the ZF is a great tranny in other applications (I've had three and still have two) and I have no doubt it will prove itself in this application as well. Smoother and more sporty than the 10L1000 and 10R140 but not quite as good for towing as nothing beats limiting the rpm drop between gears when towing heavy.

As far as the coils go; well, they are only on the 2500 for a reason and nobody else uses them on a HD pickup.....I'll suggest that it compromises towing ability for ride comfort and for that reason, I'd only buy a 3500 Ram.

We are splitting hairs a bit; any and all of the big three 3/4 ton+ trucks are good and could be a great choice depending on loads, usage and individual preference.

2 cents,
Dave