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Hawley · 05-28-2011, 06:37 AM

There is no "misunderstanding"!

RustyJC · 05-28-2011, 06:44 AM

0.83267 Canadian gallons = 1 US gallon

Therefore, 30 MPG Canadian x 0.83267 = 24.98 U.S. MPG

I seriously doubt it......

Rusty

Hawley · 05-28-2011, 06:58 AM

Went through the file here and we DO have the Window Sticker where it states plainly 20 MPG City; 30 MPG Highway. It is not a "dealer's sticker" it comes with the vehicle and it is obviously something FORD put on there.

Again, when we took the vehicle in for testing (cost us $77 to do that) they told us it was doing 30MPG but we never did get to talk to whoever did the testing. No idea what their criteria is.

Our calculations show the Ford EcoBoost F150 XTR 145" Wheelbase empty, on the Highway, is giving us somewhere between 14 and 18 MPG depending on wind etc. We keep extremely close track and calculate it each and every time it goes out. Right now we are attempting to put miles on it since they are telling us that some miraculous thing is going to happen when we have 4000 miles/6000 kms on it. They are telling us that at that mileage the computer will tell the vehicle to go 30MPG. We of course realize that is under ideal conditions and are not expecting anything like that kind of mileage. But, we would like to see 25MPG on the Highway and at least 12 Towing. Is that too a pipedream?

WE towed our Camper around North America last year (across Canada and into the USA to Florida and then West to California and up the West Coast to BC) with a 2001 Chevy Express Van with a Towing Package on it. Bought it in 2001 to Tow another Camper. That vehicle was giving us 10 to 12 MPG consistently. We did expect this brand new FORD Truck would do as well or better. Hopefully better. Were we dreaming?

Hawley · 05-28-2011, 07:05 AM

"Does your pickup have the instantaneous mpg readout?
Joe"

Yes, it does. But, we are attempting to fill exactly the same, plus we are doing our own calculations as well. They are coming in a bit higher than the "instantaneous mpg readout on the Truck." But, not much better. Mileage hasn't really changed since we drove it off the lot in Lethbridge, AB. We have 2000 miles (that's miles, no kms) on it now.

Hawley · 05-28-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wingnut60

I can't believe the window sticker said 30mpg...more like 20-21?
My MKX just bought has 19-26 listed and much lighter than the 150--30mpg, no way.

Well, believe it because I have it right here in front of me and it does!

Hawley · 05-28-2011, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustyJC

0.83267 Canadian gallons = 1 US gallon

Therefore, 30 MPG Canadian x 0.83267 = 24.98 U.S. MPG

I seriously doubt it......

Rusty

What do you "seriously doubt"?

RustyJC · 05-28-2011, 11:28 AM

I seriously doubt that one would see a consistent 25 highway MPG in a typical F150. The EPA highway fuel economy on all gas engines has historically been optimistic.

At the end of the day, though, it is what it is. If the OP gets 25 U.S. MPG, that's great. Good on 'em.

Rusty

wingnut60 · 05-28-2011, 12:51 PM

Hawley,
Pardon my apparent attitude about "I seriously doubt..." as I was thinking about US gallons. And since the US window sticker says 22mpg, I could not see how to get to 30. Looking around, I can't find the exact difference between a US gallon and a Canadian gallon--30 is about 25% larger than 22, and is there 25% more in a Canadian gallon?
Inquiring minds want to know...
As to the instantaneous mpg meter--I would use that to ask Ford to show you how to get to 30? And as far as I know, there is no "test" that Ford can do to show it will hit 30.
Joe

Hawley · 05-29-2011, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingnut60

Hawley,
Pardon my apparent attitude about "I seriously doubt..." as I was thinking about US gallons. And since the US window sticker says 22mpg, I could not see how to get to 30. Looking around, I can't find the exact difference between a US gallon and a Canadian gallon--30 is about 25% larger than 22, and is there 25% more in a Canadian gallon?
Inquiring minds want to know...
As to the instantaneous mpg meter--I would use that to ask Ford to show you how to get to 30? And as far as I know, there is no "test" that Ford can do to show it will hit 30.
Joe

Thanks for your input. The US Gal is 3.785L whiile the Imperial Gal (Canadian) is 4.546L. In other words a Canadian Gal is 1.18 of the US Gal. (I am quoting my husband here who apparently knows this stuff).

IF there is "no test" then FORD managed to lighten our wallets to the tune of $77 to do the test and offered up a piece of paper with the results of that "test." Once again, car company fraud IMO.

Hawley · 05-29-2011, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustyJC

I seriously doubt that one would see a consistent 25 highway MPG in a typical F150. The EPA highway fuel economy on all gas engines has historically been optimistic.

At the end of the day, though, it is what it is. If the OP gets 25 U.S. MPG, that's great. Good on 'em.

Rusty

Rusty, have to ask. What kind of mileage are you getting with your Dodge and what are you towing with it? Just curious.

RustyJC · 05-29-2011, 07:59 AM

We're towing a 16,000 lb, 102" wide by 13'2" high 36' Mobile Suites 5th wheel (see signature). The new truck only has about 4,000 miles on it, and we're getting 9.5 to 10.5 MPG towing. That's about what our 2002 Dodge Ram/Cummins HO got towing the same 5th wheel. Fuel mileage will generally improve on the Cummins as they accumulate more miles, so the ultimate fuel economy remains to be seen.

Just for comparison, we had a 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 dually with the V-10 gas engine and 47RE automatic transmission that we used to tow our previous 13,500 lb GVWR Jayco Designer XL 3610RLTS 36' 5th wheel. It got 6.5 MPG when towing. We switched over to the 2002 Ram/Cummins towing the same 5th wheel - the Cummins got 11-12 MPG and performed much better as well.

Rusty

wingnut60 · 05-29-2011, 01:33 PM

What Ford did was to hook up to their diagnostics machine and it showed everything to be within spec--to them, that means it will get the "30mpg"--you are fighting a losing battle I am sure. As to the instantaneous mileage readout--ask your Ford dealer what conditions do they need to get the 30mpg, then ask them to take your truck out and show you on the instantaneous readout?
At 1.18 Cdn gallons to 1 US gallon is 15%; 15% over US mileage would get you to 26, not 30?
Marketing has taken over the world...

womps · 05-29-2011, 01:57 PM

The Canadian E.P.A. ratings on the window sticker are not tested in the same manner as the U.S. does. About 2 years ago the U.S. government mandated a more realistic testing procedure but the Canadian government left their system alone. Yes the window sticker says 30 m.p.g.I saw it when I test drove the truck. Ford dealer told me if you reduce the window sticker ratings of Canadian vehicles by 30% you will be verry close to real world driving regardless of what vehicle you are driving. Also your average m.p.g. readout on your dash is either liters per 100 k.ms. or U.S. miles per gallon. It does not calculate Canadian m.p.g..

Randy the sly old fox · 05-29-2011, 08:21 PM

Fords canada website www.ford.ca states a hy fuel economy of between 8.9 and 9.8 L/100km. This translates to between 24 and 26 US MPG. Which translates to 31 Imp MPG I used Unit Conversions to do the conversions.
So no one is lying - apparently the window stickers are in mi/imp gal. I know that your speedometer is in km/hr - is the odometer in mi or km? I also thought that you bought you gasoline in liters (Its been awhile since I was in Canada) so using the l/100km would be the easiest way to compute your fuel economy.

When you are towing there are several factors including both weight and aerodynamics. I have found that on the hy, keeping my speed under 60 MPH improves my economy and when climbing hills using the gears and keeping the RPMs in the sweet spot- for my truck that is 3000-4000RPM and select whateve gear keeps me there - luckey for me, 4th gear ane 3500 RPM is 55 MPH. As for my MPG - the truck in my sig gets 14-16 empty hy, 12-14 city, and 9-12 towing my AF 22H - about 6000 lbs.