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Old 08-25-2020, 06:34 PM   #1
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F-150 versus F-250

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Looking for your advice again. Just traveled from Oregon to IN with an approximately 7000 lb., 26 ft. trailer with my 2016 F-150 XLT (145 inches) supercab with 3.5 ecoboost, 3.55 axle ratio engine with max tow and equalizer 1200 4 point sway weight distribution. I also had new E ply LT tires at 80 PSI and was at my weight max. The combination did the job even over the Rockies. I didn't sway. Typically drove around 62-65 mph. But, I did feel the 18 wheelers and when the wind hit 20-25 mph, I felt that too. More than I liked. (Perhaps, I'm just too new at this?) I had new E ply LT tires at 80 PSI and was at my weight max. Would have liked to have brought my inflatable paddle boards and an extra generator for AC but too much weight. I didn't like the slightly floaty feelings and a bit of a pull (depending on passing truck side or wind) but I survived with both hands firmly on the wheel. Would my experience be better with a F-250. Would I also be able to bring two paddle boards, extra generator and an inflatable boat (300 pounds more) with a F-250. I am also hoping in the future to do lots of national parks which means I will often be out of the flat midwest. Looking forward to hearing of your experiences. Thanks again, ahead of time. Will provide an update later on my own experiences, soon. - Len Arthur
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3/4 ton will net you heavier frame, axles, brakes, transmission, suspension, load ratings etc.
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Old 08-25-2020, 06:51 PM   #3
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In short - yes it will tow better.

BUT, before spending 10's of thousands of dollars...

Load it up like you want and hit the CAT scales. Both with and without trailer. Post up your numbers and we'll give you pointers on how well you're loaded up.

Cost will be under $50
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Old 08-25-2020, 06:53 PM   #4
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In all seriousness from a BTDT perspective, I'd get a 3/4 ton diesel. You will absolutely love towing that TT. I'm currently towing 31' and 9500 lbs with a 3/4 ton gas and really miss my 12 2500 Cummins.
If you plan on doing some extensive traveling a diesel will make it a true joy. A 3/4 ton gasser will probably feel less powerful than your F150 3.5.
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Old 08-25-2020, 07:48 PM   #5
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New tires can have tread squirm before they break in causing what you described.
Using 80 psi in those LT E tires for no more weight than a F150 can carry can leave the tires rolling mostly on the center of the tread can cause those issues.

F250/F350 srw wheels can use LT E at 80 psi as their engineered to do. These trucks have 6100 lb on up to 7230 rawr and good for 3200-3400 lb payloads on the rear axles/tires/suspension.

You did't give us the trucks GVWR or RAWR. So were in the dark here on which F150 you have.
The only F150 OEM wheels that are rated to use 80 psi come on the F150HDPP at 7850 gvwr and 4800 rawr.
Those OEM wheels that come with P tires aren't able to use 80 psi. Never over pressure a tire or wheel.

F150 max tow option...
3.55 Electronic-locking rear-axle
• 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness
• 36 Gallon fuel tank
• Auxiliary transmission oil cooler
• Engine oil cooler
• Class IV trailer hitch receiver
• Pro Trailer Backup Assist with Tailgate LED
• Smart Trailer Tow Connector (standard on LARIAT and higher)
• Integrated Trailer Brake Controller
• Upgraded front stabilizer bar
• Upgraded rear bumper.
This doesn't help the F150 carry more weight in the bed/rear bumper than its RAWR but is a good option for towing duties.
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Old 08-25-2020, 08:38 PM   #6
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Greetings,
Not trying to stir the pot or defend the towing capabilities of the F150. I tow with a similar truck to yours without the max tow package. My trailer is 7000# GVWR, Truck has 2068# cargo capacity. I know it’s back there and when towing my situational awareness is on high alert. I have no doubt an F250 or 350 would feel more planted. My questions are how much do you tow and how much do you value unloaded ride quality.
My truck is my daily driver and as such ride quality is pretty important to me. The newer F150’s are really smooth, cushy vehicles. I could drive it for 12 hours and not feel beat up. We could swing a trade “up” to a 250 or bigger but honestly I don’t want to, the 150 is just that smooth.
Food for thought
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Old 08-25-2020, 08:42 PM   #7
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I ran 55lbs in my E rated tires on my 1/2 trucks, i see no need for those pressures, i dont even run 80lbs in my 2500.
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Follow up to questions about my post F-150 vs F-250

Below is my original post. Following is additional information based on questions.

Hello All,
Looking for your advice again. Just traveled from Oregon to IN with an approximately 7000 lb., 26 ft. trailer with my 2016 F-150 XLT (145 inches) supercab with 3.5 ecoboost, 3.55 axle ratio engine with max tow and equalizer 1200 4 point sway weight distribution. I also had new E ply LT tires at 80 PSI and was at my weight max. The combination did the job even over the Rockies. I didn't sway. Typically drove around 62-65 mph. But, I did feel the 18 wheelers and when the wind hit 20-25 mph, I felt that too. More than I liked. (Perhaps, I'm just too new at this?) I had new E ply LT tires at 80 PSI and was at my weight max. Would have liked to have brought my inflatable paddle boards and an extra generator for AC but too much weight. I didn't like the slightly floaty feelings and a bit of a pull (depending on passing truck side or wind) but I survived with both hands firmly on the wheel. Would my experience be better with a F-250. Would I also be able to bring two paddle boards, extra generator and an inflatable boat (300 pounds more) with a F-250. I am also hoping in the future to do lots of national parks which means I will often be out of the flat midwest. Looking forward to hearing of your experiences. Thanks again, ahead of time. Will provide an update later on my own experiences, soon. - Len Arthur


My truck's GVWR is 7050. Front GAWR on truck is 3450; Rear is 3800. Payload is 1958. On the CAT scale my total weight was 12500. Tongue weight of trailer was 1000 lbs. Total trailer weight was 6660. 5600 minus the tongue weight. I initially had my tires at 65 PSI. I raised it to 75 and then 80 PSI because I didn't like the feel of my F-150 when big trucks and wind were around me. Different posts on IRV-2 have suggested different PSIs so I am confused at this point as to the correct PSI for an E rated truck tire that has 80 PSI listed on the tire. If this PSI is not safe for the wheels that Ford put on the truck than should I have expected the tire dealer to inform me of this when they happily installed these high price tires? Hope the above provides info people have requested - Again thanks and looking for more feedback.- Len Dave
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I think everyone is going to feel some push from passing trucks and 20-25 mph winds. Is it pushing Or pulling you out of your lane ?
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What kind of tires and tread style ?
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To respond to the last two questions to my post. The tires are Michelin Defenders LTX. Regarding the push-pull question. I am not getting pushed or pulled out of my lane - just moved around a bit. Is this something, I just need to get use to? And, if I went to a F-250 (if I can afford it!) would I still have the same experience? Thanks- Len Dave
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I think everyone is going to feel some push from passing trucks and 20-25 mph winds. Is it pushing Or pulling you out of your lane ?
Yeah, good point. I mean after a certain point even the big rigs will get pushed by the wind and on their sides into the ditch.
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If you want to carry more cargo and not worry about whether you are at or over the limits move up to the F-250. While your 1958 payload is on the higher side for the F-150 a gas F-250 will easily yield ~3000+ and no more worries about whether the kayaks and generator are going to be a problem. The 6.2L with 6-speed and 4.30 gears is a solid and reliable combination and has done well in the mountains for us. The new 7.3L has better torque at lower rpm. Our ORV 23DBS is just under 28' total length and at the moment is running ~8500 loaded. It tows better with the F-250 than the previous little Jayco did with the RAM 1500.

If diesel is being considered step up to the F-350 - the F-250 with diesel isn't going to have much more payload than what your F-150 has. Most that I've seen on the lots are ~2100-2200.

As to whether you will still get pushed/pulled by semi's - yes - at times you will still feel the effects of semi's passing but in my case with the current F-250/ORV combo it is a lot less noticeable than the previous RAM 1500/Jayco combo. When we have long travel days I'm not nearly as tired as I used to be.
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To respond to the last two questions to my post. The tires are Michelin Defenders LTX. Regarding the push-pull question. I am not getting pushed or pulled out of my lane - just moved around a bit. Is this something, I just need to get use to? And, if I went to a F-250 (if I can afford it!) would I still have the same experience? Thanks- Len Dave
You mentioned a 20-25mph crosswind...

That strong a crosswind will push a lightly loaded big-truck around...

If you can 'dial in' steering correction and have the rig wiggle whenever you go behind a stand of trees or a sign or get passed on the upwind side by a big-truck, that's just the wind and a heavier tow vehicle will still do that.

If you're feeling the rear axle of your truck get 'smarmy' (not loose, but kinda like driving on wet grass) with the front feeling ok... A bigger truck would help...
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