Ford announces new EV truck factory and a bunch of battery factories.

[move on]

Originally Posted by radar

I know that happens here in BC as well but don’t know the numbers. However we also buy off peak power during the night from some of the US states. It allows B.C. hydro to keep keep prices down and keeps more water in the reservoirs. We pay 9 cents Canadian (maybe 7 cents US???) for power here. There is a tier 2 but we never hit it, even with an EV only family. (Hmmm, on edit, we may have hit tier 2 with AC during that heat wave last summer). It jumps to 14 cents on tier 2. There are no TOU plans here...yet. We charge at 2 AM anyway just to help out the provincial utility. (It’s tax payer owned, we are kind of a socialist province. Works for us).

Cheers.

Norway too has abundant hydro power. They are working on selling it to their neighbors during the day and buying back their windpower at night to pump water back up into their reservoirs.

[radar]

Originally Posted by move on

Norway too has abundant hydro power. They are working on selling it to their neighbors during the day and buying back their windpower at night to pump water back up into their reservoirs.

Creative solution. They shelved a pumped hydro project here for the time being. Similar idea. It’s in a snow belt so it would have seasonal benefits. Right now we have unused capacity and there is another dam coming on line in 2026 so it doesn’t make sense. They may revisit it in a few years.

[Kid Gloves]

So, is Ford building a Hydro plant in Canada or a wind farm in Norway?

[move on]

Back to the Ford battery plant, I hope the $7 billion investment pans out. I kinda doubt it. Not to worry though, the taxpayers, not Ford, will pick up the tab. There is presently a cabal in place between the EPA, CARB, the US DOT and the auto manufacturers to make ICEVs artificially more expensive so that EVs become cheaper in comparison. This is the CAFE system, or the Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulations. It funnels money to the car manufacturers so they can build boondoggles like EV factories and battery plants.

[followingsea]

Originally Posted by kdauto

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There are needs for different energies right now, we all get that. Electric vehicles can be practical for a large percentage of what's on the road.

Let's stop listening to the talking points the Big Oil lobby pits out and spend millions on each year.

So your answer is to listen to Ford and GM?

I am retired from the electric power industry. The electric power industry would love to take market share from the oil industry.

I know a lot about being practical and energy. In France, 75% of power comes from nuclear plants that are load following. So maybe EV are practical in France.

I have owned several PU trucks for practical reasons over the years. I have also observed that many owners of PU buy them for other reasons.

I paid a little more for my last PU. That was 1989. When the odometer turned over 300,000; I was glad I did.

Would I pay a lot more for a electric PU? No, I think they are a terrible idea.

I hope you see there is a marketing problems selling bad ideas.

I do not buy tobacco products, recreational drugs, or get tattoos. But clearly lots of money gets spent on those thing. But that is not a reason for me to spend money that way.

I can predict lots of money will be spent things that are not practical. I can not predict how the money will be divided between bad ideas.

Storing large amounts of electricity in batteries is bad idea. It is a law of physics thing.

Can it be done?

Let me know how it turns out.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by followingsea

So your answer is to listen to Ford and GM?

I am retired from the electric power industry. The electric power industry would love to take market share from the oil industry.

I know a lot about being practical and energy. In France, 75% of power comes from nuclear plants that are load following. So maybe EV are practical in France.

I have owned several PU trucks for practical reasons over the years. I have also observed that many owners of PU buy them for other reasons.

I paid a little more for my last PU. That was 1989. When the odometer turned over 300,000; I was glad I did.

Would I pay a lot more for a electric PU? No, I think they are a terrible idea.

I hope you see there is a marketing problems selling bad ideas.

I do not buy tobacco products, recreational drugs, or get tattoos. But clearly lots of money gets spent on those thing. But that is not a reason for me to spend money that way.

I can predict lots of money will be spent things that are not practical. I can not predict how the money will be divided between bad ideas.

Storing large amounts of electricity in batteries is bad idea. It is a law of physics thing.

Can it be done?

Let me know how it turns out.

Where are you going with this and what are you saying? You kinda lost me there.

I think there's definitely a place for EVs right now. Where we are at with 2021 technology, passenger EVs work. We have a local company making school and city buses into EVs. That works well so far. Bus fleets say there repair and maintenance costs savings quickly pay for the initial extra cost. It sure is nice not being awaken by the noisy Cummins the old buses had.

For hauling heavy stuff or when the trailer exceeds 1/2 the tow vehicle weight we don't have viable solutions today. That will surely change within 10-15 years too.

My GF has ordered a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV. She should save at least 2500-3k a year on fuel costs plus a lot on maintenance and upkeep. I'll be doing the maintenance and upkeep at my shop.

[followingsea]

Originally Posted by kdauto

Where are you going with this and what are you saying? You kinda lost me there.

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My GF has ordered a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV. ....

What I am saying is, tell me how well it works. Not how you think is going to work.

Lots of things sound good on paper but do not actually work very well.

Let me ask you a couple of questions. What are the qualifications of your GF to evaluate technology? For example, I am mechanical engineer with 50 years experience evaluating technology. I was a nuclear qualified officer in the US navy.

What is the name of your electric company? I will be able to find how much coal the burn and how many EV they have.

How often do you carpool? How often do you walk to work?

Have you considered a installing a gasifier in your truck? I know the person who won the cross country race using a gasifier in the 70s energy crisis.

Wait that was before EPA would put you in jail for modifying an engine.

[followingsea]

Originally Posted by move on

......This is the CAFE system, ....

Why does prohibition come to mind?

The problem with the goverment regulating morality is two fold. First the rules do not apply to the goverment. Second those being governed, may not think they are being immoral.

Ever since I have been driving, there have been fuel efficient cars to buy.

[bross]

Originally Posted by kdauto

My GF has ordered a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV. She should save at least 2500-3k a year on fuel costs plus a lot on maintenance and upkeep. I'll be doing the maintenance and upkeep at my shop.

I'm sure they'll do the recall before delivery...

https://my.gm.ca/chevrolet/en/how-to.../boltevrecall#

[radar]

Originally Posted by followingsea

What I am saying is, tell me how well it works. Not how you think is going to work.

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Well, can’t speak for the other poster but for us it works very well. It’s a Tesla not a bolt but same idea. Getting close to two years and it’s been flawless. The only maintenance has been washer fluid. Zero to sixty in 4 seconds, amazing handling, quiet, amazing tech, best winter car we have ever had, charge at home overnight, eats up road trips nicer than our grand Cherokee ever could. To each his own, but a test drive is a very eye opening experience.

JMHO.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by bross

I'm sure they'll do the recall before delivery...

https://my.gm.ca/chevrolet/en/how-to.../boltevrecall#

The car isn't even built. It will get the improved batteries.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by followingsea

What I am saying is, tell me how well it works. Not how you think is going to work.

Lots of things sound good on paper but do not actually work very well.

Let me ask you a couple of questions. What are the qualifications of your GF to evaluate technology? For example, I am mechanical engineer with 50 years experience evaluating technology. I was a nuclear qualified officer in the US navy.

What is the name of your electric company? I will be able to find how much coal the burn and how many EV they have.

How often do you carpool? How often do you walk to work?

Have you considered a installing a gasifier in your truck? I know the person who won the cross country race using a gasifier in the 70s energy crisis.

Wait that was before EPA would put you in jail for modifying an engine.

She doesn't know that much about EVs, but I do know a fair amount. I am a technician and own a repair shop.

Hydro Quebec is our power supplier. Look that up and tell me how clean it is.

Due to her work hpours carpooling doesn't work anymore. Late bus schedule was cancelled, so she needs a vehicle as it's a 50km drive.

Why would I deal with an inefficient gasifier that uses up loads of space?

[followingsea]

Originally Posted by kdauto

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Hydro Quebec is our power supplier. .....

Why would I deal with an inefficient gasifier that uses up loads of space?

kdauto, do you know what the 3 most important factors in a LCA?

Location, location, location!

Canada, that's like a different country.

This is a discussion about Ford building a factory in the US where the environmental impact will be.

That said where you live may be like France, a source of non-fossil energy.

I was sure you would like gasifiers since you wanted to sick to 'big oil' and like inefficient batteries that take up a lot of space. Gasifiers are proven technology and the 'go to' when there is an oil shortage.

Just for the record, BEV is not new. Just repeat epic failure technology.

The only new energy technology in my life time is nuclear power.

[dbircky]

Originally Posted by radar

LOL. . I wouldn’t be surprised if it does. You have to figure. There are about 7000 new vehicles on the road everyday that don’t have a gas tank, a transmission, a crank case, or a catalytic converter. And that will double every two years for the foreseeable future. Then again, I have no idea of how that all works.

What??? About 231,000 all-electric vehicles were sold in 2020, down 3.2% from 2018. In each of the past three years, EVs accounted for about 2% of the U.S. new-car market.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-china-europe/

7000 x 365 = 2,555,000 annual sales?
Doubling? Without massive tax credits?