Good news for Ram, ok news for Ford, Bad news for GM

[tuffr2]

GM new trucks are the best they ever built but holy smokes competition is really tough from Ram and Ford.

I also think trucks are outselling SUV/Cars about 2 to 1.

[Jshopes81]

I must not be reading that right. How is 20 some percent more than 30 something? We just went past palm coast today.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

GM new trucks are the best they ever built but holy smokes competition is really tough from Ram and Ford.

I also think trucks are outselling SUV/Cars about 2 to 1.Attachment 254502

Ford offers huge huge discounts most of the time so F150s are real popular here. Gm is #2 overall, but don't forget this is based of the last model year which was getting a bit long in the tooth. We'll see what the 2020 GMs bring for sales. Myself being a GM guy I find some versions horrendous looking, some are bearable, but barely. Maybe it'll grow on me but methinks a 2nd year makeover could very well happen if sales are hurting.

Ram is still #3. I have my opinion on RAM, I'll leave it at that.

[BTFT]

For anyone interested in how the RAM actually stacks up in head to head tests with the Chev and Ford and GMC read this article from Motor Trend: The Ram won Truck of the Year for the 1500.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ram/...k-of-the-year/


Here is a quote from that article:


"We were particularly impressed by the level of fit and finish. Every trim, from the base Tradesman up to the Limited, furnishes at least one two-tone cabin treatment, injecting a bit of personality and style into the cabin at any price point...GM has to be kidding, going up against this with the High Country and Denali," features editor Scott Evans said. "This is a luxury interior. Look at this wood! This leather! The metal, stitching, design, attention to detail! The leather on the grab handles! Cadillac could learn a thing or two by spending an afternoon in this cabin."
Hyperbole aside, he's right. The Ram's cabin ain't just good for a truck. It's good, period.


Now before you jump and say "well that's the 1500...


Here is a similar article about the 2500's:


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ram/...t-test-review/

[tuffr2]

I looked at the 2019 Ram 1500. It has the best truck interior on the planet. It has the best ride. The interior rivals Lexus, Mercedes and BMW.

I ended up buying a F-250 Lariat with the Lariat plus package that is kinda nice or should I say nice enough for me.

But I agree the Ram interior has tight gaps and the very best fit and finish.

[Spdracr39]

Originally Posted by Jshopes81

I must not be reading that right. How is 20 some percent more than 30 something? We just went past palm coast today.

Ram out sold Chevy not GM which includes GMC.

[jjackrash]

I think the Ram interiors are very nice, but I also think the recent GM HD products have a quieter, smoother, ride, especially unloaded (at least based on the trucks I have ridden in) than the Ram and Ford trucks I have been in. I'd be curious to put a db meter in the current similarly equipped trucks with the same basic tires and take them for a spin.

[tuffr2]

I believe Ram, Ford, GM are hitting the wall as to how nice they can make a truck. I used to wish for more power, fewer rattles, more solid truck. Well, I got everything I need.

I looked at the new Ram 1500 and Chevy 1500. Both trucks are very impressive. We had company for about 8 days. I drove the company around in my 2017 Ford F-250. Comments were, 'I did not know trucks were this nice'.

2020 is going to be a very good year for trucks. I, for one, am excited.

[redhooker]

It also does not help that GM has been struggling with the 8 speed tranny. There still has been no fix and people are POed. If you google it be prepared for a pile of reading.

And combine that with the first $5000 tailgate that can strike it’s own hitch (I think there’s a limerick about that someplace)

[09 harley]

Originally Posted by BTFT

For anyone interested in how the RAM actually stacks up in head to head tests with the Chev and Ford and GMC read this article from Motor Trend: The Ram won Truck of the Year for the 1500.


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ram/...k-of-the-year/


Here is a quote from that article:


"We were particularly impressed by the level of fit and finish. Every trim, from the base Tradesman up to the Limited, furnishes at least one two-tone cabin treatment, injecting a bit of personality and style into the cabin at any price point...GM has to be kidding, going up against this with the High Country and Denali," features editor Scott Evans said. "This is a luxury interior. Look at this wood! This leather! The metal, stitching, design, attention to detail! The leather on the grab handles! Cadillac could learn a thing or two by spending an afternoon in this cabin."
Hyperbole aside, he's right. The Ram's cabin ain't just good for a truck. It's good, period.


Now before you jump and say "well that's the 1500...


Here is a similar article about the 2500's:


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ram/...t-test-review/

I thought you were the electric car advocate. Surprised you’re looking at the fossil fuel versions.
All the trucks are good. The last thing we need is another brand war squabble.

[tuffr2]

What is wrong with the last few years of the Ram 5.7 hemi? Anyone know or also heard there is a problem? Is it the weak rocker arms I think. I could be wrong but I think that is the issue.

Can anyone shed any light on the 5.7 hemi issues?

[Jshopes81]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

What is wrong with the last few years of the Ram 5.7 hemi? Anyone know or also heard there is a problem? Is it the weak rocker arms I think. I could be wrong but I think that is the issue.

Can anyone shed any light on the 5.7 hemi issues?

Id be curious about the percentages too. The 5.7 was going into everything there for awhile. It was probably even considered for minivans. If it happened 30000 times over a million units thats still only 3%.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by redhooker

It also does not help that GM has been struggling with the 8 speed tranny. There still has been no fix and people are POed. If you google it be prepared for a pile of reading.

And combine that with the first $5000 tailgate that can strike it’s own hitch (I think there’s a limerick about that someplace)

The Gm fix is a new Mercon LV-HP fluid. Ford uses the same transmission.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

What is wrong with the last few years of the Ram 5.7 hemi? Anyone know or also heard there is a problem? Is it the weak rocker arms I think. I could be wrong but I think that is the issue.

Can anyone shed any light on the 5.7 hemi issues?

Weak rocker arm bearings, worn cams and valves dropping or hanging up. Parts were on national backorder last I checked.