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Old 07-18-2020, 11:47 PM   #1
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I need help before changing my TT. I currently have a GD 2400bh but looking at going bigger without changing the fairly new truck.

Our truck is a 2019 RAM 1500 with 3.92 axel ratio, the towing is as follows:
Curb Weight 5,259.81
GVWR 7,100.00
GCVWR 17,000.00
Payload 1,680.00 (in the sticker, on paper 1820lbs)
Towing Capacity 11,340.00

Im looking at the new GD 3110bh with the following specs:
UVW 7,980.00
GVWR 9,900.00
Hitch Weight 780.00

the added weight in the truck will be the family (600lbs) and I'm adding another 200lbs of safeguard.

by my numbers we are still ok in all parameters:
Available Payload 100.00
New GVW 6,799.81 (below 7100)
NEW GCVW 15,919.81 (below 17000)

we will improve the towing with a propride, air bags, and E rated tires.

although the numbers seem ok I'm still a bit nervous with getting so close to limits.
I need your expert advise, do you have experience towing this close to max and was it a ok experience?
thank you so much, its a big decision.
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Old 07-18-2020, 11:52 PM   #2
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You’ll be fine with the propride, you won’t need to airbags, as they will negate the hitch load distribution. I work for a GD dealer and mainly use equalizer hitches, and not one complaint.
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Old 07-18-2020, 11:56 PM   #3
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You’ll be fine with the propride, you won’t need to airbags, as they will negate the hitch load distribution. I work for a GD dealer and mainly use equalizer hitches, and not one complaint.
thanks Clomok
We use the equalizer now with our 2400Bh but I still feel the trucks go by. With a bigger rig I'm going to investing in the ProPride.. that's how nervous I am.
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Old 07-19-2020, 05:27 AM   #4
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Hi,
I need help before changing my TT. I currently have a GD 2400bh but looking at going bigger without changing the fairly new truck.

Our truck is a 2019 RAM 1500 with 3.92 axel ratio, the towing is as follows:
Curb Weight 5,259.81
GVWR 7,100.00
GCVWR 17,000.00
Payload 1,680.00 (in the sticker, on paper 1820lbs)
Towing Capacity 11,340.00

Im looking at the new GD 3110bh with the following specs:
UVW 7,980.00
GVWR 9,900.00
Hitch Weight 780.00

the added weight in the truck will be the family (600lbs) and I'm adding another 200lbs of safeguard.

by my numbers we are still ok in all parameters:
Available Payload 100.00
New GVW 6,799.81 (below 7100)
NEW GCVW 15,919.81 (below 17000)

we will improve the towing with a propride, air bags, and E rated tires.

although the numbers seem ok I'm still a bit nervous with getting so close to limits.
I need your expert advise, do you have experience towing this close to max and was it a ok experience?
thank you so much, its a big decision.
I'm thinking you are going to be overloaded....or right at it....and here is why. First, the tongue weight you listed is for a completely empty trailer...which it will not be once you buy it and start loading it with things you will be taking when you go camping. So let's look at the GVWR of the trailer....9900 lbs. Let's say you load the trailer with all your stuff and you end up at 9000 lb of trailer. Tongue weight, based on approx. 13% (which is a very common amount of tongue weight) would put you at approx. 1200 lbs of tongue weight. Then you are talking 600 lbs of "family", so now you are at 1800 lbs...PLUS the weight of the hitch itself for a total of 1900 lbs or so. And that is with a payload on the truck of 1680 according to your posted sticker number...which IS the actual payload of YOUR truck.

Now, let's look at the full GVWR of the trailer and if/when you load it that heavy. 9900 lb times that 13% number and you are at... almost 1300 lb of tongue weight, plus the 600 lbs for family and the 100 lbs or so of hitch weight. Now you are at 2000 lbs on a truck that has a payload of 1680 lb.

Only you know how much "stuff" you will be taking, but in my opinion you will be asking way too much of your present truck. The 3110bh is also 36' long and in my opinion way too long for any 1/2 ton truck....with the exception of possibly the Ford 1/2 Ton with the HDPP on it....which will boost the payload numbers up to about 2500 lbs.
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I agree with what xrated said. Trailer manufacturers always under report the tongue weight so they can convince folks to pull their trailer with a light duty truck. 10% tongue weight is the bare minimum, xrated recommends 13% and I prefer 15%. It's very likely you'll have a trailer sway problem. You may be able to mask it with sway control devices but that's like putting makeup on a pig. It's still a pig.

Overloading is one problem but here's what happens with not enough tongue weight. Watch a few of these and you'll notice that the size of the trailer makes no difference. Tongue weight is the most overlooked number when folks consider weights.

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Old 07-19-2020, 10:54 AM   #6
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I agree with xrated also. Even if you have more truck loading is important. My friend has a 2014 Ram 1500 HEMI 3.55 gears , pulls a 28 ft 8000lb camper with 1100 on the tongue. We have adjusted the weight distribution hitch and tighten the sway bar. With the truck down in the back 1 inch and the trailer level he still gets some sway. He hates mountians with it. We did install an engine oil cooler since his engine oil gets to 265 degrees. Sway is hard to control.
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I will not beat around the bush, that trailer is going to give you problems as it is really 250/2500 territory.

If you try to tow it with your 1500 good luck.
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You are basically confirming my worries, that's exactly what I told my husband, we are too close to limits to be safe.

I guess we will be keeping the 2400bh for now until we are TV ready to upgrade to a bigger TT (or FW).

Thank you all.
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I agree with what xrated said. Trailer manufacturers always under report the tongue weight so they can convince folks to pull their trailer with a light duty truck. 10% tongue weight is the bare minimum, xrated recommends 13% and I prefer 15%. It's very likely you'll have a trailer sway problem. You may be able to mask it with sway control devices but that's like putting makeup on a pig. It's still a pig.

Overloading is one problem but here's what happens with not enough tongue weight. Watch a few of these and you'll notice that the size of the trailer makes no difference. Tongue weight is the most overlooked number when folks consider weights.

Don't disagree with anything you said, totally agree.
But in the video it also seemed most of these people were driving above safety limits, I guarantee you don't see us do any of this even with our safe 2400bh + equalizer package we are pulling now. We are the boring folks driving in the right side at 60mph.
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Many in the video had too much weight behind the rear axle. Nose heavy is best.
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When looking at trailers, NEVER pay attention to the "hitch weight" or "tongue weight" the manufacturers list. These are nearly always dry weight numbers which are useless except to the guy delivering the trailer to the dealer new.

Instead, take the GVWR listed on the sticker on the front left of the trailer, and multiply by .13 (13%) and you will get a realistic number for tongue weight. Always add 100 lbs for the weight of the hitch, or more if necessary.

If you cannot find the GVWR, take the dry weight and add the cargo carrying capacity to it, this will usually add up to the gross weight.

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The pro-pride hitch is a big x-factor, as that hitch reportedly dramatically improves the towing experience over standard hitches by projecting the tow point to the axle much like a fifth wheel hitch does. I have not used one, however, and I tend to agree with others that that is too much trailer for your truck. But if the pro-pride is a good as advertised, you might be ok. But it seems like a bit of a gamble that the hitch will make up for pushing the payload limits to the max.
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Did I read that right, that you currently only tow at 60mph? Is that on the highway? Holy smokes that is too slow to be safe. Do you keep your flashers on? On the highway the semi trucks are going 70 - 72 mph.

What happens if you try to tow at 72mph? If you get sway maybe you need the pro pride hitch now?

If you get the pro pride hitch you can use it in the future on other travel trailers.

What I would do - buy the pro pride hitch now. Use it on your current trailer. See if it improves your towing. If it does then buy the 36' trailer and use it on that. My guess, you will he ok towing at least 60mph....but you should be towing fast enough to stay with the right lane traffic IMHO.
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Do you keep your flashers on?
In many states it is illegal to operate your flashers when the vehicle is in motion.

I always drive in the 60-65 range on the interstates. Of course I stay in the right lane but the interstate minimum speed is usually 40. If other folks want to go faster they can use other lanes.
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