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05-11-2011, 09:05 PM
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Holy Cow ??
I am so darn confused. I for the life of me cannot seem to figure out how much over weight we are for our TV ??
Please if anyone out there could give me some idea of where we stand I would be ever so grateful. I have a headache from trying to figure it out. I read all the posts and I am still too stupid to get it. Took the truck out to weigh with full fuel and me.
This is what I got at the CAT scale.
Steer Axle 4720 #
Drive Axle 3460 #
Gross weight 8180 #
Went back and weighed with 5er partially ready to go. No food or clothes yet.
Steer Axle 4800 #
Drive Axle 5820 #
Trailer Axle 9940 #
Gross weight 20560 #
Thnx All
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05-12-2011, 06:13 AM
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I think you need the GCVWR. Then add 8180 and 20560 That should tell you if over or not. But I am no expert.
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05-12-2011, 07:02 AM
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Your truck's laden curb weight is 4720 + 3460 = 8180
The total weight of your 5th wheel is 20560 - 8180 = 12380
The pin weight of your 5th wheel is 12380 - 9940 = 2440 (19.71% of the total weight)
Your truck's GVW with the trailer hitched up is 4800 + 5820 = 10620
Your truck's GCW with the trailer hitched up is 10620 + 9940 = 20560
To know if you're overloaded, we need to know your truck's GVWR and GCWR. Just to double-check, knowing your rear axle GAWR would be helpful as well. The GVWR and rear axle GAWR can be found on the sticker located on the driver's side door jamb. The GCWR can be found HERE if you enter the appropriate data applicable to your truck.
Rusty
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05-12-2011, 12:09 PM
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I have a '10 Dodge 2500 also, but my ratings are probably a little less than yours because I have a 2wd and manual trans with 3.42 gears. My truck has a gvwr of 9,000, but axle ratings of 5 and 6K front and rear. My gcwr is 19,000.
If I was to apply your weights to my truck, I would be under on axle weights, but over gvw by 1620 lbs, and over gcw by 1560 lbs. The standard 2500 with auto and 3.73 axle is rated 1000lbs more than mine, but I don't know how the 4x4 figures in.
Hope this helps.
By the way, Rusty's figures are correct. I have no idea what the other gentleman is trying to say.
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05-12-2011, 06:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by br9
I think you need the GCVWR. Then add 8180 and 20560 That should tell you if over or not. But I am no expert.
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Why add the two weights. The GCW is 20560# and the 8180# for the truck is already included in the 20560#.
What Rusty posted is correct.
Ken
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05-12-2011, 07:48 PM
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This tow vehicle/trailer calculations demonstrator
Will correctly and accurately answer your questions.
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05-12-2011, 09:00 PM
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Looking at Dodge body builders guide shows the '10 2500 Dodge/Cummins 4x4 has a 9600 GVWR with a 5500 FAWR amd 6500 RAWR. Looking at your loaded axle numbers your under those by a good margin especially the rear axle as its carrying all of the pin weight. However I would go by the RAWR numbers on the trucks certification label located on the door post as it takes precedence over numbers on Dodges web site.
Your most likely over the truck GVWR or GCWR but it isn't illegal to do so. On a RV web you will get advise from folks to use the trucks GVWR or the trucks GCWR or the trucks tire payload sticker or the trucks GAWR's or ....... . I would contact your province size and weight motor vehicle division and let them explain which of those numbers are used for loads on your truck. Might save you lots of unecessary worrying.
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05-13-2011, 05:00 AM
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OK, let's get this clarified before it turns into another "weight thread". Some individuals wish to stay within the manufacturer's ratings. Some don't. If the OP is one of the former, what we're trying to do to help him is accurate. If, on the other hand, the OP is one if the latter, then it really doesn't matter. His or her choice.... 
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05-13-2011, 06:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RustyJC
Some individuals wish to stay within the manufacturer's ratings. Some don't. If the OP is one of the former, what we're trying to do to help him is accurate. If, on the other hand, the OP is one if the latter, then it really doesn't matter. His or her choice....
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I agree. But if the OP isn't interested in staying within the mfr's ratings, why start this thread?
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05-13-2011, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by REWahoo
I agree. But if the OP isn't interested in staying within the mfr's ratings, why start this thread?
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That's what I thought as well. Apparently not everyone does....
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05-13-2011, 07:48 AM
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Manufacturer's ratings are published for a reason. Exceed them if you wish, but understand how much you are exceeding them so when it breaks, there is no one to blame but yourself and hopefully no one is injured.
On gong by the axle weight ratings, you need to go one step farther. Are your tires rated for the load and are the springs rated for the load?
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05-13-2011, 10:11 PM
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The truck manufactures certify their axle ratings (RAWR) which includes tires/wheels/brakes/springs/hubs/bearings/suspension/etc.
Individules claiming that the truck manufactures RAWR is somehow not a manufactures rating are misleading others and misrepresenting the truck manufactures RAWR numbers on the trucks certification label and how their used.
The OP simply asked for help in determing his numbers which I would congratulate him on having unladin and ladin weights. Make it simple without all the estimates/percentages thrown around many times.
He's under his truck manufactures axle/tire ratings for how much load the truck can carry legally/safelly.
He's 560 lbs over GCWR and about 1020 lbs over GVWR. I doubt the Cummins will notice 560 lbs over GCWR.
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05-14-2011, 12:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JIMNLIN
The truck manufactures certify their axle ratings (RAWR) which includes tires/wheels/brakes/springs/hubs/bearings/suspension/etc.
Individules claiming that the truck manufactures RAWR is somehow not a manufactures rating are misleading others and misrepresenting the truck manufactures RAWR numbers on the trucks certification label and how their used.
The OP simply asked for help in determing his numbers which I would congratulate him on having unladin and ladin weights. Make it simple without all the estimates/percentages thrown around many times.
He's under his truck manufactures axle/tire ratings for how much load the truck can carry legally/safelly.
He's 560 lbs over GCWR and about 1020 lbs over GVWR. I doubt the Cummins will notice 560 lbs over GCWR.
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The manufacturers also certify GVWR and GCWR. They are there for a reason, just like the ratings for axles, tires, brakes, etc.
As you clearly noted...he's over the GVWR and over the GCWR...kind of like being pregnant, you are are you aren't there's no gray area. I agree the Cummins will not notice the difference...but that's really irrelevant.
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05-14-2011, 12:46 PM
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Quote:
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He's 560 lbs over GCWR and about 1020 lbs over GVWR. I doubt the Cummins will notice 560 lbs over GCWR.
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He's that much over BEFORE he's loaded up his trailer... Not just food & clothes, but water, propane, tools, guns, booze, beer, etc...
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