Is buying a new dually diesel for 80k becoming a doomed investment

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Hybrid technology is the future for automotive transportation. It makes ICEs more efficient. If we can have a gasoline powered vehicle that consumes energy more efficiently than an electric power plant then there will be no need for EVs.

[kdauto]

Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. It's not impossible some other great energy breakthrough happens and disrupts everything either.

I seriously doubt hybrids are "THE" way to go. Most are moving away from them to go full electric for the reasons I posted earlier.

I recommend people stating hybrids are the answer to research maintenance and long term viability of them. Talk to a mechanic. Check stats on what is still on the road 10-15 years later.

[SGhost]

Those big locomotives you see pulling a bajillion feet of rail cars..... Yep, they're electric. Buuuuut, it's that humongous diesel engine that's generating the electricity to run it.

I agree. Why aren't we developing the rail system in this country? I'll tell you why, it's the special interest, trucking companies and labor unions. That's the one thing that stifles innovation. They're not a huge fan of automated semi's either I'm sure.

I think the best solution is; better public transportation for those without the means, one EV for the short haul (in town) and one standard combustion vehicle for the long haul (include RV in the mix). Also, Let's upgrade our rail system for freight. By adding more semi's we're destroying our roads which are already in dire straits.

[bross]

Originally Posted by 4x4ord

Why is it a big deal that he pumped a million gallons of water out of his well? Are you thinking it might have caused someone else to go without water?

California is Sinking

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I took an Uber the other day. It was a Toyota Prius. I asked the driver anout maintenance and he said there was almost none in 250,000 miles and its still going strong.

A Prius is more energy efficient than a Tesla of about the same size and its about 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of an unsubsidized Tesla.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by move on

I took an Uber the other day. It was a Toyota Prius. I asked the driver anout maintenance and he said there was almost none in 250,000 miles and its still going strong.

A Prius is more energy efficient than a Tesla of about the same size and its about 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of an unsubsidized Tesla.

He is either an idiot or totally ignorant. I maintain those things.

A Bolt is also efficient with 1/4 the maintenance of a Prius and the same or lesser cost at purchase.

[MemByTheMile]

Buying a truck is not an investment, it is an expense.

Will the value be $0 in 5 years? No, not even if totaled.

Personally, with duallys selling for ridiculous high prices now, unless you have an immediate need for a truck, I would wait until prices come down in a year or 2. Still won’t be an investment but any cash I had put aside could truly be invested while you wait for the expense cost to drop.

[Cooperhawk]

Originally Posted by SGhost

By adding more semi's we're destroying our roads which are already in dire straits.

Most folks are ignorant of the amount of taxes each truck pays for highway use. Take the semi's off the road and the road construction and repair moneys has to come from somewhere else.

They used to have posters on the back of Semi trailers stating the amount paid by each truck. It's a lot.

[Cooperhawk]

https://www.mackinac.org/8433

For a typical 80,000 pound GVW tractor-trailer combination truck the federal highway taxes average $8,959 per year.

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Originally Posted by kdauto

He is either an idiot or totally ignorant. I maintain those things.



A Bolt is also efficient with 1/4 the maintenance of a Prius and the same or lesser cost at purchase.

A Bolt puts a demand on the power grid and, given that the average electric grid is only 35% efficient, it consumes a lot more fuel than a Prius.

[kdauto]

Keep quoting all your erroneous data from the folks who have agendas. You are so wrong on so many counts it is laughable. EVs don't impact the grid nearly as much as people think, and a whole lot less than what the dirty energy companies peddle.

Your quotes on diesels being cleaner than gas or EVs, and that there's some sort of evil conspiracy are far out. I like reading fiction.

Have a good one. You kids out there, stay in school and learn a bit more science and math.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by kdauto

Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. It's not impossible some other great energy breakthrough happens and disrupts everything either.

I seriously doubt hybrids are "THE" way to go. Most are moving away from them to go full electric for the reasons I posted earlier.

I recommend people stating hybrids are the answer to research maintenance and long term viability of them. Talk to a mechanic. Check stats on what is still on the road 10-15 years later.

Being “right” doesn’t guarantee that the most desirable outcome has been achieved. Why does any single technology have to be the only viable option?

As an owner of a PHEV, my opinion is biased. I realize the vehicle has all the complications of both an ICE and EV. Personally, I’m least concerned about the ICE components. The battery has a mandated 10 year, 150,000 mile warranty. Without that, I’d have reservations about buying anything that uses batteries as a means of propulsion.

A PHEV is an elegant solution for a single vehicle household. We have multiple vehicles, all others are ICE. A PHEV allows all, or nearly all, local driving to be completed in EV mode. Longer trips are accomplished in HV mode, essentially operating as an ICE vehicle, while preserving the energy stored in the battery. Last year we bought 15 gallons of gas, yet drove the car more than 8,000 miles.

It is 2 cars in 1, and it was about half the price of the lowest cost EV. One car payment, one car to insure and register, no need for a 100kWh battery for a 20 mile trip, no need to build a global charging infrastructure. The car has reduced our fossil fuel consumption by more than 90% compared to the car it replaced, which got 35-40mpg.

Most people do most of their driving within 10-20 miles of their home. A PHEV with 30-50 miles of EV range would allow them to do so on battery power. It would also allow them to make longer trips in a vehicle that has no special needs. In addition to not needing to spend billions on electric infrastructure, we wouldn’t need to manufacture astronomical amounts of lithium batteries.

There are professional analysts who see a different future for PHEV’s than what you see. There are some who have selectively chosen to use pandemic related data to make projections on future production. Even your prediction about what cars will be on the road in 10-15 years is only a guess. Anecdotal stories can be interesting, so I’ll offer one up. I have several friends who are currently driving 20 year old Prius(es) on a daily basis and I have several friends who have sent a Nissan Leaf to the scrapyard. We also had a non-plug-in Prius for 10 years and ~150K miles, that had no significant issues.

It is also somewhat liberating to have the option of using gas or electricity, rather than being entirely dependent on one or the other. Finally, it is remarkable how many people think, incorrectly, that a PHEV has to be plugged in, or that it only has 30-40 miles of range. If they just took a moment to actually listen, rather than puffing up their feathers and proclaiming that they will only drive an ICE or BEV, they might learn something.

A PHEV is the best of both worlds and the worst of both worlds. In my opinion, the positives far outweigh the negatives.

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Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

Being “right” doesn’t guarantee that the most desirable outcome has been achieved. Why does any single technology have to be the only viable option?

As an owner of a PHEV, my opinion is biased. I realize the vehicle has all the complications of both an ICE and EV. Personally, I’m least concerned about the ICE components. The battery has a mandated 10 year, 150,000 mile warranty. Without that, I’d have reservations about buying anything that uses batteries as a means of propulsion.

A PHEV is an elegant solution for a single vehicle household. We have multiple vehicles, all others are ICE. A PHEV allows all, or nearly all, local driving to be completed in EV mode. Longer trips are accomplished in HV mode, essentially operating as an ICE vehicle, while preserving the energy stored in the battery. Last year we bought 15 gallons of gas, yet drove the car more than 8,000 miles.

It is 2 cars in 1, and it was about half the price of the lowest cost EV. One car payment, one car to insure and register, no need for a 100kWh battery for a 20 mile trip, no need to build a global charging infrastructure. The car has reduced our fossil fuel consumption by more than 90% compared to the car it replaced, which got 35-40mpg.

Most people do most of their driving within 10-20 miles of their home. A PHEV with 30-50 miles of EV range would allow them to do so on battery power. It would also allow them to make longer trips in a vehicle that has no special needs. In addition to not needing to spend billions on electric infrastructure, we wouldn’t need to manufacture astronomical amounts of lithium batteries.

There are professional analysts who see a different future for PHEV’s than what you see. There are some who have selectively chosen to use pandemic related data to make projections on future production. Even your prediction about what cars will be on the road in 10-15 years is only a guess. Anecdotal stories can be interesting, so I’ll offer one up. I have several friends who are currently driving 20 year old Prius(es) on a daily basis and I have several friends who have sent a Nissan Leaf to the scrapyard. We also had a non-plug-in Prius for 10 years and ~150K miles, that had no significant issues.

It is also somewhat liberating to have the option of using gas or electricity, rather than being entirely dependent on one or the other. Finally, it is remarkable how many people think, incorrectly, that a PHEV has to be plugged in, or that it only has 30-40 miles of range. If they just took a moment to actually listen, rather than puffing up their feathers and proclaiming that they will only drive an ICE or BEV, they might learn something.

A PHEV is the best of both worlds and the worst of both worlds. In my opinion, the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Good post, I agree. Would make way more sense to allow the market to decide then all these "mandates" forcing pure EVs on everyone by some random date chosen.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by kdauto

He is either an idiot or totally ignorant. I maintain those things.

A Bolt is also efficient with 1/4 the maintenance of a Prius and the same or lesser cost at purchase.

Or, maybe the Uber driver is sharing firsthand knowledge based on owning and operating the vehicle for 250,000 miles. Just because you service “some” hybrids doesn’t mean they all have costly issues. You only see the ones that need repairs. No one brings a trouble free car to a mechanic.

A Bolt will also have down time for an Uber driver, as it will need to be charged. Whereas a Prius needs only a quick stop at a gas station.