Is buying a new dually diesel for 80k becoming a doomed investment

[tuffr2]

Honda Clarity - 'no advertising' is an understatement as I never even heard of it.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

Yes, the Clarity has been discontinued. There was speculation among owners as to whether or not it would be produced in 2020. Production continued through 2021. It was doomed from day one. There was no advertising. It was widely believed to be a compliance car that was a money loser for Honda. It is a sedan. Sedans don’t sell well. Ford recently discontinued a line of sedans. Throw in a chip shortage and the available chips will get used in profitable vehicles. None of that detracts from the value, practicality and versatility of the car.

Toyota introduced the RAV4 Prime, a PHEV that is selling like hotcakes. Jeep introduced a Wrangler PHEV last year and will begin selling a Grand Cherokee PHEV next year. The technology continues to be introduced and now it’s available in the top selling models. This does not indicate a move away from the technology.

Only reason those hybrids are being peddled is because Toyota, Honda and Stellantis are a decade behind in EV technology...they discredited it. They are now trying to catch up and massively invest, but this is the closest they have right now.

The Clarity was a marketing exercise and test, which never panned out and was a money pit for them.

I don't know how the RAV4 Prime sells like hotcakes, people have been waiting on them for 2 years and sometimes more now. They were behind even before the pandemic.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by kdauto

Only reason those hybrids are being peddled is because Toyota, Honda and Stellantis are a decade behind in EV technology...they discredited it. They are now trying to catch up and massively invest, but this is the closest they have right now.

The Clarity was a marketing exercise and test, which never panned out and was a money pit for them.

I don't know how the RAV4 Prime sells like hotcakes, people have been waiting on them for 2 years and sometimes more now. They were behind even before the pandemic.

People have actually been buying the RAV4 Prime. Many pay a premium over MSRP. In my book that is a vehicle that is in demand.

Good to hear that you are now an expert on the Clarity.

[kdauto]

I'm not interested in arguing this. Sorry you feel p-ed off, but facts are facts. I KNOW they are selling a bunch of RAV4 Prime, they just can't deliver. I have 2 customers waiting on them, and we almost went for one.

Once we discovered a 400km range for a pure EV, which is a lot simpler mechanically, our choice went towards that.

Trucks will lag behind a decade or more I'm pretty sure.

I could link a bunch of articles backing my claims, but there's no use. Of course you are correct, I know absolutely nothing about anything.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by kdauto

I'm not interested in arguing this. Sorry you feel p-ed off, but facts are facts. I KNOW they are selling a bunch of RAV4 Prime, they just can't deliver. I have 2 customers waiting on them, and we almost went for one.

Once we discovered a 400km range for a pure EV, which is a lot simpler mechanically, our choice went towards that.

Trucks will lag behind a decade or more I'm pretty sure.

I could link a bunch of articles backing my claims, but there's no use. Of course you are correct, I know absolutely nothing about anything.

I’m not upset at all. You’ve even said that RAV4 Primes are selling, people are waiting for them. It’s almost as if you’re arguing with yourself. It is a popular, in demand vehicle. Same with the Prius Prime. Simply because you chose an EV doesn’t mean that PHEV’s aren’t popular vehicles. It doesn’t mean that new PHEV’s aren’t being introduced.

Please, don’t put words in my mouth. Where did I imply that you know nothing?

[tuffr2]

kdauto - I for one think you know a lot about a variety of vehicles...after all you work on them. Something most of do not do.

[Ldubs]

Originally Posted by Kid Gloves

So much for being skeptical about what you read on the internet.

I can appreciate actual hands-on experience and still be wary of what I read on the internet.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by Ldubs

I can appreciate actual hands-on experience and still be wary of what I read on the internet.

You sure can. I’m always skeptical when opinions are offered up as facts.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

Honda Clarity - 'no advertising' is an understatement as I never even heard of it.

That just goes to show that no one can know everything.

What could be less than “no” advertising? The statement about no advertising is actually a slight overstatement. There was at least one TV ad which has been posted on a Clarity forum. There were also signs inside the dealership which promoted the availability of the $7500 tax credit.

[tuffr2]

I have not looked at any Honda vehicle since 2005 as I switched to Nissan and Ford. I do know Nissan has (I think) a electric Leaf.

Can you believe I had a Honda Ridgeline, A F-150, a F-450 and now a gas powered F-250?

[wildcatter]

[/QUOTE]Can you believe I had a Honda Ridgeline, A F-150, a F-450 and now a gas powered F-250?[/QUOTE]


No, I can't believe it.


Sorry, had to do it.

[trx430ex]

Ok back onto topic, after much interesting reading. Could we agree that an F-150 power would be equal to 2- Tesla p-100 d batteries @ 1200 lbs each for a total of 2400 lbs of storage.

That being said.

Then a F250 would be 3- p100 d batts @ 3600 lbs
Then a F350 would be 4 - p100 d batts @ 4800 lbs
Then a F450 would be 5 - p100 d batts @ 6000 lbs

Then that being said, are we in agreement this is how much energy it takes to get to 1 ton of pure insanity performance? @ 1 ton?

In current tech.

That is a 1/2 a Megawatt of storage.

: Lose the
Rears front & back
drive shafts
transfer case
Engine
Transmission

Electric motors on every wheel, all wheel drive all the time.

Just an insane amount of torque, pushing 2300 lbs.

Just a note, Diesel is only @ most 40% efficient, the rest is heat. Electric in DC is 90% efficient,,, looking for heat for the cab or batt.

[radar]

Originally Posted by trx430ex

Ok back onto topic, after much interesting reading. Could we agree that an F-150 power would be equal to 2- Tesla p-100 d batteries @ 1200 lbs each for a total of 2400 lbs of storage.

That being said.

Then a F250 would be 3- p100 d batts @ 3600 lbs
Then a F350 would be 4 - p100 d batts @ 4800 lbs
Then a F450 would be 5 - p100 d batts @ 6000 lbs

Then that being said, are we in agreement this is how much energy it takes to get to 1 ton of pure insanity performance? @ 1 ton?

In current tech.

No idea. But there is some conjecture out there that the Tesla semi has between a 600 to 800 watt battery. I’m sure there is some math formula out there, but it’s above my pay scale. .

[trx430ex]

It comes down to power to weight divided by time to recharge.

Time is on this techs,, side /vs cost.

And guess where it gets to recharge, any campground in USA 50 amp pestistal.

The original 50 amp double pole supercharger.