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Old 07-23-2021, 12:39 AM   #43
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Even at 30k the pin weight is 6900#(at 23%). My sticker says 5234# payload. Not sure how even in the owners manual it’s wrong. I realize most numbers are set as stated previously with a lighter truck (trim), but not even close.

Also I realize that 37k number is also not for my truck……
It too is out of the manual.

Have only checked payload sticker on my truck, I’ll never get close to the other weights.
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Old 07-23-2021, 05:41 AM   #44
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Really, I've got a B&W Companion that is rated for 25K lbs with over 6000 lbs of pin weight.
Ford says that fifth wheel hitches are limited to 19k lbs.

One example:

"5th-wheel tow rating limited to 5th-wheel hitch rating of 19,000 lbs. 9,900-lb. GVWR Package (68D). MAXIMUM LOADED TRAILER WEIGHT (lbs.)"

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content...PU_r1_Nov7.pdf
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Old 07-23-2021, 07:16 AM   #45
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Nose to Tail max length

In Texas, the nose to tail of your rig and toad ( or truck and trailer) cannot exceed 60.
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I meant to type 44', not 34'
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I think you meant to type....44' long, not 34'!
You are right! And it looks like I can't edit the post :( Oh well...
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:50 PM   #48
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In Texas, the nose to tail of your rig and toad ( or truck and trailer) cannot exceed 60.
Believe it is 65 feet, not 60 feet.

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They advertise that, but with caveats that it only applies to the unicorn truck.
-Reg cab
-DRW
-8' bed
-2wd
- Base model (Tradesman)

but I don't see how they can get there even on that truck for a multitude of reasons.

1) Payload is 6,570 lbs. 20% (pin weight) of a 35k fifth wheel or gooseneck is 7,420 lbs so you'd be over payload by almost 1k lbs before adding in passengers, cargo, etc...

2) Tongue weight of a 35k lb trailer would be roughly 5,250 lbs.

3) RAWR is 6,390 lbs. So the pin weight would be over the GAWR.

4) 5th wheel hitches are limited to 19k lbs. Gooseneck is rated for 30k. You'd be over on both.

5) Even a Class 5 receiver hitch is only rated for up to 18k lbs and are only rated for a tongue weight of up to 1,800 lbs. You'd be way over.
You use these percentages some of those numbers make sense. I not saying use those low percentages but it does explain how the get some those GCWR only use 15%

SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) J2807

5.4 GVWR/Rear GAWR and Tongue Weight/Kingpin Weight Considerations
(Eq. 4)
The tow-vehicle shall be able to accommodate appropriate trailer tongue and/or kingpin weight to attain a particular TWR without exceeding Rear GAWR and/or GVWR. Required minimum conventional trailer tongue weight shall be 10% of TWR and required minimum fifth wheel or gooseneck trailer kingpin weight shall be 15% of TWR. For purposes of this standard, fifth wheel or gooseneck trailer kingpin weight shall be applied directly over rear axle centerline unless a fixed-ball hitch is available from the tow-vehicle original equipment manufacturer (OEM) in which case it shall be at the OEM position. Conventional trailer tongue weight shall be applied at a longitudinal connection point as indicated in 5.5.

https://fifthwheelst.com/documents/t...ds-2016-02.pdf
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You use these percentages some of those numbers make sense. I not saying use those low percentages but it does explain how the get some those GCWR only use 15%

SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) J2807

5.4 GVWR/Rear GAWR and Tongue Weight/Kingpin Weight Considerations
(Eq. 4)
The tow-vehicle shall be able to accommodate appropriate trailer tongue and/or kingpin weight to attain a particular TWR without exceeding Rear GAWR and/or GVWR. Required minimum conventional trailer tongue weight shall be 10% of TWR and required minimum fifth wheel or gooseneck trailer kingpin weight shall be 15% of TWR. For purposes of this standard, fifth wheel or gooseneck trailer kingpin weight shall be applied directly over rear axle centerline unless a fixed-ball hitch is available from the tow-vehicle original equipment manufacturer (OEM) in which case it shall be at the OEM position. Conventional trailer tongue weight shall be applied at a longitudinal connection point as indicated in 5.5.

https://fifthwheelst.com/documents/t...ds-2016-02.pdf
It creates the illusion that the trucks can haul more than they should, by using the minimum percentages required to obtain the higher rating.

But in reality more times than not very few (if any) of us are going to have a 15% pin weight or a 10% hitch weight.
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